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<br>Topics of the day:
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<br>  1. Pansy; Irate; Internment; Hotel; Banjo; Teens; Ben Dova, et al. (2)
<br>  2. Tinner, tinhorn, Tin Jesus
<br>  3. college
<br>  4. Internment; Hotel
<br>  5. "You the man."
<br>  6. "You the man" (6)
<br>  7. "You da man."
<br>  8. Going postal in Oz
<br>  9. The punctuation mailing list
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<br>Date:    Tue, 9 Jun 1998 02:25:36 EDT
<br>From:    "Barry A. Popik" <Bapopik[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM>
<br>Subject: Pansy; Irate; Internment; Hotel; Banjo; Teens; Ben Dova, et al.
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<br>PANSY (continued)
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<br>    I got to the Rodgers & Hammerstein Recorded Sound Archives today.  "So I
<br>Ups to Him" was a classic Jimmy Durante number that was on at least two of his
<br>albums.  One album featured numbers from the old Club Durant (the "e" couldn't
<br>fit the sign).  Thus, while the number was used in SHOW GIRL of 1929, it
<br>probably dates from 1923.
<br>    In "So I Ups to Him," Durante bumps into someone on the sidewalk, and they
<br>get into a fight.  Durante says:
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<br>     Roses are red
<br>     Violets are blue
<br>     Horses neck
<br>     Do you?
<br>     A PANSY!
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<br>     Durante meets the same person three years later.  "The Pansy!" is heard
<br>near the end of the number.
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<br>IRATE
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<br>     I've been checking the new Performing Arts 1690-1783 CD-ROM for OED
<br>antedates.  The next few items were discovered there.
<br>     OED has "irate" from 1838.
<br>     "(T)he irate master made his escape" is in the Boston News Letter, 3-10
<br>June 1717.
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<br>INTERNMENT
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<br>     OED has "internment" from 1870.
<br>     (A)nd good will at his death, order'd the most magnificent internment for
<br>him that has been known in New England" is in the New England Courant, 3-10
<br>August 1724.
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<br>HOTEL
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<br>     I forgot to check OED, but BARNHART'S DOE has "1765, in Smollett's
<br>_Travels Through France and Italy_; earlier, a student residence at a
<br>university (1748), borrowing from French _hotel_, from Old French _hostel_."
<br>     "Paris, April 30...The Ambassador at his return to his hotel" is in the
<br>Boston News Letter, 14-21 August 1721.
<br>     "Hotel de Ville" is in the Boston News Letter, 4-11 June 1722.
<br>     "Hamburgh, Oct. 24...hotel" is in the New England Weekly Journal, 15
<br>January 1728.
<br>     "The Hotel of France" is in the Boston Gazette, 21-27 January 1730.
<br>     "A letter from Paris, Jan 4. ... In the course of this month will be
<br>shewn at the hotel de Langueville" is in the American Weekly Mercury, 11-18
<br>May 1738.
<br>     And so on.  I deserve a free double-bed for this.
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<br>BANJO
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<br>     The DA has "Bangil" in 1740; the OED has 1764.
<br>     "Run away, some months ago, from Capt. Thomas Prather, of Prince George's
<br>County, Maryland, a Negroe man, named Scipio, is of short stature, plays on
<br>the banjo, and can sing" is in the Pennsylvania Gazette, 13 July 1749.
<br>     "Bangeo" is in the New York Mercury, 5 November 1753, and "banjoe" is in
<br>the Pennsylvania Gazette, 17 November 1757.
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<br>TEENS
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<br>     For the study of "teenager," it's worth noting that "Miss-in-her-Teens"
<br>is in the Pennsylvania Chronicle, 19-26 December 1768--which is quite some
<br>time before the 1930s.
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<br>STOCK COMPANY; STARS
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<br>     I was recently checking the Knickerbocker Magazine for its forms of
<br>"hello."  (Why isn't it on CD-ROM?)  This doesn't quite antedate "stars" (OED
<br>1824), but it antedates "stock company" (DA 1839).  From the Knickerbocker
<br>Magazine, March 1836, pg. 311:
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<br>     THE FRANKLIN THEATRE (...)  Its _stock_ company, it is generally
<br>conceded, is unexceptionable; and it has its fair share of 'stars'--those
<br>twinkling luminaries, without whose evanescent light, (however erroneous the
<br>supposition,) most theatres are considered as being involved in little better
<br>than total darkness.
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<br>ROCK; COOK WITH GAS; SQUARE
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<br>    I left this off my discussion of "rock and roll" in 1937-38.  It's from
<br>1941, and antedates "cook with gas" (1942) on page 471 of the RHHDAS.  It also
<br>antedates "square" cited in Barnhart's DOE "the slang sense being out-of-date,
<br>old-fashioned, or too conventional is found in 1946, in American English,
<br>originally as a jazz usage."
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<br>ROCKIN' AND REELIN' (1941)(from the Universal production "Ride 'Em Cowboy")
<br>By Don Raye and Gene de Paul
<br>
<br>Whatcha say we all go rockin' and reelin'
<br>Make the old Virgina reel really hop
<br>The corn will thrive if you plant it in jive
<br>And I'll bet that it pops your top.
<br>Hit the timber and go rockin' and reelin'
<br>Do the boogie if the beat is in eight
<br>You're just nowhere if your dancin' is square
<br>'Cause you'll swing like a rusty gate.
<br>Put rhythm to your doe se doein'
<br>It's easy to make it mix
<br>Keep jumpin' when you're heel and toein'
<br>If you really want to get your kicks.
<br>Swing your partner when you're rockin' and reelin'
<br>Do your dancin' like you haven't a care
<br>You'll be first class, you'll be cookin' with gas
<br>If you go rockin' round the square.
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<br>STATUS SYMBOL
<br>
<br>     Fred Shapiro is checking JSTOR for antedates; I said before it was a bit
<br>dull.  Dull for slang--checking "slang" as a keyword turned up almost nothing
<br>useful.  Checking "dude" turned up old citations, and one citation that was
<br>actually the word "in-clude."
<br>     However, as jargon goes, it's very fine.  I found Shapiro's first "WASP"
<br>citation in seconds.  Also, an earlier "price-earnings ratio" from the 1930s.
<br>     OED has "status symbol" from 1955, but I found it in "Symbols of Class
<br>Status" by Erving Goffman, the British Journal of Sociology, December 1951,
<br>vol. II, No. 4, pg. 294:
<br>
<br>     Specialized means of displaying one's position frequently develop.  Such
<br>sign-vehicles have been called _status symbols_.  They are the cues which
<br>select for a person the status that is to be imputed to him and the way in
<br>which others are to treat him.
<br>
<br>     Herbert Spencer's THE PRINCIPLES OF SOCIOLOGY is cited, but I didn't find
<br>"status symbol" in that large work.
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<br>"BEN DOVA" AND OTHER SLANG NAMES
<br>
<br>     Neither Ben Dova nor his sister Eileen U. Bendova is in the RHHDAS.  In
<br>Zit's Theatrical Newspaper, 7 March 1931, pg. 12, col. 3, a performer billed
<br>himself as "BEN DOVA, Convivial Inebriate."
<br>     In a previous posting about "fairy," I mentioned that it possibly comes
<br>from a "new and gorgeous pantomime" that was presented in the 1870s at the
<br>"Theatre Royal--Olymprick."
<br>     Check out these character names (caution is advised, however!):
<br>
<br>Masturbation; Fairfuck; Fuckwell the First; Cherrytop; Big-Prick; Sir
<br>Whitybrown Bumfodder; Tickleroot; Bubo; Sir Secondary Symptom; Dr. Bolus De
<br>Capivi; Gamahuche; Princess Shovituppa; Princess Syphilis; Gonorrhea; Lady
<br>Clara Cindasifta; Clitoris; Chancre; and the ambassadors:
<br>Russian--Baron Tossisselfoff.
<br>German--Herr Crap Von Schnitzenstein.
<br>Italian--Marchese De Catamito.
<br>French--Chevalier De La Belle Merde.
<br>Spanish--Don Pego Castrato.
<br>Greek--His Excellency Ximenes Kismias.
<br>Turkish--Moistool Pasha.
<br>English--Sir John Thomas.
<br>Japanese--Shudami Dum Singh.
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<br>RAG
<br>
<br>    Almost forgot.  The "rag" in Gerald Cohen's baseball poem means "pennant."
<br>It dates from the late 1880s or 1890s.
<br>    People are confusing "tinners" with "tinkers"--an old Irish term.
<br>"Tinner" might mean "itinerant."  Perhaps it has something to do with "tin
<br>can"--I have a wonderful period cartoon about a baseball "canning factory."
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