Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 00:30:06 -0700
From: Anton Sherwood dasher[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]NETCOM.COM
Subject: "You're eighty-six, man!"
Matti Pitk{l{ mp54978[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTA.FI says:
I watched the TV-series "Northern Exposure" the other day
and a character there used the expression "You're eighty-
six, man" to another, who had done some renovations at this
first character's house (well, actually it was a trailer),
and caused some water damages there. I understood this to
mean something like "You are a disaster, man". I wonder
though, were this expression comes from, and how well
known it is in the US? Would someone have a clue?
If I were told "you're eighty-sixed," I'd take it to mean
"you're no longer welcome here." (To whom did Chris say it?
Was that the episode wherein Chris inherited some money?)
From "The Straight Dope" (Cecil Adams):
| The term derives via a roundabout route from a number code allegedly
| in wide use in 1920s diners and soda fountains. 86 supposedly meant,
| "We're all out of the item ordered," said by the cook or some other
| honcho to a soda jerk or similar minion. By extension 86 came to
| mean, "Don't serve anything to the indicated party because he is
| either broke or a creep." (Presumably you see how a code would come
| in handy in such situations.) Bartenders later used the term in
| connection with any person deemed too hammered to serve additional
| drinks to, and eventually it came to have the all-purpose meaning
| we assign to it today.
| Other lunch counter code numbers (I rely here on the Morris
| Dictionary of Word and Phrase Origins) include 82, I need a glass
| of water (80 and 81 at times meant the same thing); 99, the manager
| is on the prowl; 98, ditto for the assistant manager; 33, gimme a
| cherry-flavored Coke; 55, I crave a root beer; 19, I yearn for a
| banana split; and 87 1/2, check out the babe over yonder.
I think I've also heard "eighty-sixed" used of a broken machine, but
won't swear to it. Note that in "Get Smart", Don Adams played the
loyal but bumbling Agent 86 (and his smarter sidekick was Agent 99).
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