Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 14:49:03 +0000 From: Bill Spruiell <3lfyuji[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CMUVM.CSV.CMICH.EDU> Subject: Re: Variation in "try"-complements? Thus far, it seems as if there is quite a bit of variation on people's interpretations of 'try', 'remember', and 'forget' with the two complement types. One reason I raised the issue was that textbooks, specifically ESL textbooks like Azar's [a staple in many ESL grammar courses] present a nice, neat system with four verb categories and clear rules for interpreting meaning changes in category 4 (to which those verbs "belong"). Now, the last thing that would surprise me is that a pedagogical grammar covers up some variation; however, in many other cases, there's some hazily defined but *recognized*"standard" that the ignored variations are variations *to* (e.g. most prescriptive grammars don't address the "fixing to" construction, but I think most authors of them are aware of it and consciously regard it as a regional item). I'm left wondering to what extent variation with these complements has reached "pedagogical awareness", and whether textbook authors are, on this issue, *unconsciously* creating a standard rather than consciously attempting to manifest a standard they believe exists. ------------------------------------------------- Opinions expressed in this message do not necessarily represent those of Central Michigan U. Bill Spruiell Central Michigan University Dept. of English Language and Literature