Date:  Fri, 3 Dec 1993 20:48:11 -0600

From:  Daniel S Goodman-1 <dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU>

Subject: NYTimes and disappearing Newyawkese



On Fri, 3 Dec 1993, ALICE FABER wrote:



> Of course the NY Times uses expressions that aren't stereotypical of current

> NY speech. The whole point of most of our objections to the Times article on

> NY dialects was that they erroneously treated loss of stereotypical NY

> features as equivalent to loss of a distinctly NY dialect.



I realized that -- I just wanted to point out a bit of irony.



My dialect is either Upstate New York or Hudson Valley. To me, New York

City speech sounds odder than the way English-speaking Montrealers talk.

(My mother grew up in NYC and has that accent, but that's not the dialect

I picked up.) Relatively young people from New York City -- and from

Jersey and the Island -- may not have accents as strong as workingclass

and lowerclass New Yorkers who grew up before WWII -- but they still don't

sound exactly accentless to me.



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