Date:  Wed, 8 Dec 1993 10:42:03 +0100

From:  Hans Vappula <guchw[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]GD.CHALMERS.SE>

Subject: Re: The /x/ sounds in Scots and Dutch



Rudy Troike wrote:

>Calling all phoneticians--

>    The [x] (NOT /x/) in <loch> and <geen> SHOULDN'T be the same, given

>the difference in phonetic environment, even if they were in the same language.

>Cf. the [k]'s in <lock> and <keep> (ignoring the aspiration), both /k/.

>    --Rudy Troike



You're right. I stand corrected on that one.

As for using slashes instead brackets, I did that only because the ASCII

positions of these brackets are used for two of the letters of the Swedish

alphabet and show up as these letters on my screen. I am aware that I

should use brackets, and that not doing so is culturally arrogant in this

context. Sorry...



John Kirk asks:

>Hans Vappula talks about [x] in INITIAL position in Scots. Could he

>give us some examples, please?

>

>John KIRK

>The Queen's University of Belfast



No, I'm afraid I can't. As has been pointed out to me by Rudy, see above,

the two sounds aren't even the same. Until proven otherwise, I assume there

are no such examples. Please accept my apologies for having confused

things...

//Hans

//Hans Vappula, Gothenburg Universities' Computing Centre, G|teborg, Sweden

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