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Topics of the day:



 1. modren metathesis

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 3. SMTP message through S-Bridge gateway

 4. AAVE variation and ADS in Toronto (2)



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Date:  Thu, 30 Dec 1993 22:58:16 CST

From:  "Donald M. Lance" <ENGDL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MIZZOU1.BITNET>

Subject: Re: modren metathesis



N.B. In Rudy's example of saying 'patio' with Spanish phonology, unless the

/t/ is said as an unaspirated stop -- not with "voiced t" -- the speaker has

not code-switched merely by using [a] rather than [a]. Few American can do

a good unaspirated post-dental [t], so [pathio]/[padio] vs [paedio] is similar

to the use of [a] or [ae] in 'Nevada'. The phonological shift Rudy really

means, I'm sure, will very likely have different tongue positioning for sets of

consonants and vowels as well as "adjusting the sound".

I wish I'd kept notes on discussions I had with a couple of graduate students

from northeastern Thailand a couple of years ago. I recall them commenting on

phenomena such as what Gwyn Williams mentioned -- i.e., Thais speakers

"innovating" by unwittingly giving a new pronunciation to a word that was

borrowed from English originally (if I remember the erased posting accurately).

I also wish I'd kept notes on some conversations I had with 7 Malaysian

students in a special class on contrastive analysis. As they warmed up to

the task and felt free to talk about some of the things they hear on TV as

announcers attempt to follow the "guidance" of the Academy and the government

in establishing Bahasa Malaysia baku ('standard'), they mentioned some

"re-pronunciations" that were jarring to their ears. It seems that there's

a parallel drive to maintain a distinct Bahasa Indonesia baku as well. My

knwledge on this is shaky, so basically I'm just bringing up the matter of

"funny" things happening as "standard" languages are found to be useful on

national tv stations. The Malaysians apparently slavishly follow spelling.

                             DMLance