Date:     Mon, 1 Feb 1993 01:40:44 CST

From: "Robert . Bayley" <rbayley[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]LONESTAR.UTSA.EDU>

Subject:   Re: GoldVarb & System 7



>

> Does anyone know whether a "System 7 savvy" version of GoldVarb has been

> done? Specifically System 7.1? Are many of the ADS-L subscribers using

> GoldVarb, or have you found other options to serve your needs better? I

> mean options on, say,a Mac SE/30 with 8MB RAM & > 80MB HD space. Not

> mainframe options.

>          DMLance

>

I've run Goldvarb 2.0 on a Powerbook 145 with only 4 meg Ram without any

problems. A one level analysis of ca 4000 tokens with 19-20 factors runs

in slightly less than a minute, even without a co-processor.



Robert Bayley

Bicultural-Bilingual Studies

University of Texas at San Antonio

San Antonio, TX 78249

--



Date:     Mon, 1 Feb 1993 17:23:00 GMT

From: ENG0997[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK

Subject:   The Tosser's Guide



Has anyone come across a book called



_The Tosser's Guide to the Commitments_



The Commitments is a film about Dublin based on a novel of the same

name written by Roddy Doyle. Apparently a jokey-sort of glossary was

produced for the US market at the time of the film's release. I've

ben unable to track it down. Might could someone help out?

I sure hope that someone might should could ... (just preparin' ma

suthron for LAVIS!)



With thanks,

JOHN KIRK

ENG0997[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]QUB.AC.UK

Date:     Wed, 3 Feb 1993 11:39:00 CST

From: Beth Lee Simon <BLSIMON[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MACC.WISC.EDU>

Subject:   lexical alert



is anyone familiar with the long white?

thanks, beth simon at DARE

blsimon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]macc.wisc.edu



Date:     Wed, 3 Feb 1993 12:11:00 CST

From: Beth Lee Simon <BLSIMON[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MACC.WISC.EDU>

Subject:   lexical question



has anyone eaten quivering death?

if so and you survived, i remain beth simon at the dictionary

blsimon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]macc.wisc.edu



Date:     Wed, 3 Feb 1993 12:19:18 CST

From: "Donald M. Lance" <ENGDL%MIZZOU1.BITNET[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu>

Subject:   Re: GoldVarb & System 7



Thans for your response to my ADS-L query the other day. Someone else sent me

Sankoff's e-mail address. I sent him a query, which he forwarded to Rand, a

co-author of GoldVarb, who responded that there should be no problem in

running GoldVarb on Sys 7 but that it couldn't take advantage of certain

features such as aliases.

             Thanks again ..... DMLance, English Dept, U of Mo



Date:     Wed, 3 Feb 1993 17:22:42 EST

From: TTHONUS[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UCS.INDIANA.EDU

Subject:   Author search



I'm trying to locate Clyde Smith, author of the 1989 ADS Conference

Presentation entitled "Southern American English in Brazil, No?"

Clyde, if you're out there, please reply; if anyone else knows his

address/phone number/e-mail, please let me know.

Thanks.

Terese Thonus

Date:     Fri, 5 Feb 1993 15:07:08 EST

From: Bill Kretzschmar <WAKJENGL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu>

Subject:   address for Hans Van Halteren



I wonder whether anybody has a current e-mail address for Hans Van Halteren,

who was involved with the tagging program for the ICE project. He was at

Nijmegen as of last April, may still be there, but my e-mail to him bounced.



Bill Kretzschmar



Bill Kretzschmar          706-542-2246

University of Georgia     FAX 706-542-2181

Date:     Mon, 8 Feb 1993 14:18:33 CST

From: "Donald M. Lance" <ENGDL%MIZZOU1.BITNET[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu>

Subject:   Re: GoldVarb & System 7



A week or so ago I sent a query over ADS-L regarding GoldVarb and System 7.

Someone put me onto how to get the info I needed. I have been in correspond-

ence with David Rand at U Montreal, one of the co-authors of the program.

I asked him if he would mind if I sent a message to ads-l, and he very

kindly sent me the following message to forward.

            Donald M. Lance, English Dept, U of Missouri



----------------------------Original message----------------------------

This is in reply to your message of Friday, Feb. 5, about ADS-L.

Here is a summary of the latest information about GoldVarb.

You may post it to ADS-L or anywhere else you deem appropriate.



------------------------------------------------------------------



 * The current version of GoldVarb is 2.1. It is just a minor

  revision of version 2.0. These versions run under System 6 or

  System 7, but do not take advantage of any of the new special

  features of System 7 (aliases, stationery, Apple events, etc.).



 * If you have a version older than 2.0, we recommend you upgrade.

  IF YOU HAVE VERSION 2.0, THERE IS NO NEED TO UPGRADE.



 * GoldVarb is public domain. If you have version 2.0 or later,

  feel free to pass on a copy to anyone interested.



 * If you cannot obtain GoldVarb from a colleague, you may request

  it directly from the authors at one of the Internet addresses

  shown below. We will send you the programme and manual on a

  diskette. We will also send you a hard-copy manual if we still

  have any left. There is no charge.



 * GoldVarb runs on the Macintosh only. We cannot help you with

  other platforms. For example, we don't have any DOS version.

  (To enquire about the DOS version of Varbrul, contact S. Pintzuk

  or S. Ash of the Department of Linguistics at the University

  of Pennsylvania.)



   David Rand   -- Internet:   Rand[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ere.uMontreal.ca

   David Sankoff -- Internet: Sankoff[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ere.uMontreal.ca



   Centre de recherches mathematique,

   Universite de Montreal



------------------------------------------------------------------



End of text to be publically posted.

Thanks,

David.

..............................................................

David Rand         | C.P. 6128-A

analyste-programmeur    | Montreal, Quebec H3C 3J7

Centre de recherches math. | Telephone: (514) 343-6111, 4726#

Universite de Montreal   |   E-mail: rand[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ere.umontreal.ca



Date:     Mon, 8 Feb 1993 13:33:52 PST

From: Sue Redlus <Sue.Redlus%STANFORD.BITNET[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu>

Subject:   Re: lexical question



REPLY TO 02/07/93 23:15 FROM ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA.BITNET "American Dialect Society":

lexical question



Paul--



I don't understand. What does that mean??? Please fill me in!



I just came from signing my lease and picking up my keys. Yeah. I

can start moving my stuff in whenever I want - even though my lease

doesn't start until Wednesday. My bed won't be delivered until

Wednesday evening anyway, but at least I can start moving things in

now!!



Ciao for now.



Sue



P.s. Do you have a measuring tape? If so, may I please stop by after

work to quickly measure something??? Let me know.



S



To: ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA.BITNET



Date:     Mon, 8 Feb 1993 18:28:32 CST

From: Natalie Maynor <maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CS.MSSTATE.EDU>

Subject:   Re: lexical question



> P.s. Do you have a measuring tape? If so, may I please stop by after

> work to quickly measure something??? Let me know.



I think we've just witnessed an e-oops. :-)

 --Natalie (maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ra.msstate.edu)

Date:     Mon, 8 Feb 1993 18:19:00 GMT

From: ENG0997[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]VAX2.QUEENS-BELFAST.AC.UK

Subject:   RE: address for Hans Van Halteren



To Bill and anyone else interested:

Hans van Halteren's e-mail address is:



COR_HVH[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]KUNRC1.URC.KUN.NL



It worked fine for me last week!



JOHN KIRK



Date:     Tue, 9 Feb 1993 09:07:00 CST

From: Beth Lee Simon <BLSIMON[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MACC.WISC.EDU>

Subject:   your question about lexical inquiries on ads list



>From time to time, questions about lexical items will be posted to

members of the ads emial list. it is an informal attempt to find

informants-passive or active users- of items that, at least at the

moment, are of interest to the Dictionary of American Regional English

or DARE. you are very welcome to respond to these inquiries, or indeed,

pass them along and report back, either by replying to the ads

email address, or replying to me, beth simon at DARE, by sending to

blsimon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]macc.wisc.edu Thanks, beth

Date:     Thu, 11 Feb 1993 13:12:00 EST

From: "James_C.Stalker" <STALKER[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MSU.EDU>

Subject:   ADS Session at NCTE



CALL FOR PAPERS



I will be chairing the ADS session at the NCTE convention in Pittsburg, Nov.

19-22, 1993. The topic is to be Taboo Language in the Classroom, a sequel to

the 1992 NCTE ADS session. NADS will also carry a call for papers for this

session, but I thought this might get a little earlier start.



Although the topic specifies "in the classroom," that can be construed to

include in the school at large, or the "school setting." Further, if you have

research that was not carried out in a classroom, but may have a bearing on or

implication for classroom behavior, instruction, materials, I can certainly

include that as well. The 1992 papers focused on a project in which eighth

graders collected slang/taboo items and how they handled them, the effect of

the appearance of taboo language in the study of literature, specifically

medieval literature, and a comparison of the use of taboo language by females

from a northern anda southern college campus. As you can see, the range is

broad on many dimensions. Female/male differences, age differences, use in

literature, or changes in what constitutes taboo items are topics that come to

mind, but others are, of course, possible.





Please send me abstracts by regular mail or by return email. I have to let

Alan Metcalf know who the program participants will be by the end of March, so

please send your abstract no later than mid-March. Of course, tomorrow is not

too early.



Last year's session attracted about a hundred people. Maybe more. I brought

a hundred handouts, and they were all gone. I hope that we can generate good

attendance again this year, but I will need you to do it.



James C. Stalker

email: stalker[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]msu.edu or stalker[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]msu



Department of English

Michigan State University

East Lansing MI 48824



(517) 355 1781 Office

(517) 336 7118 Home (best call me here)

Date:     Sun, 14 Feb 1993 12:52:32 EST

From: "Warren A. Brewer" <NCUT054%TWNMOE10.BITNET[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu>

Subject:   Motorbike in Taiwanese



Motorbike in Taiwanese



For "motorbike" (including the notions of "small motorcycle" and

"motor scooter") the most common generic term in Taiwanese seems

to be:



[open o, mid-level tone]+[t]+[open o, mid-level tone]+[bai, high-

falling tone],



which sounds something like "AUTO BUY". This must be a loanword,

borrowed either directly from English or indirectly via Japanese.

It also seems obvious that the etymon should be an English

*autobike, but I haven't found a reference for this word (nor for

*autobicycle) in the meager resources available to me here

(Webster's 1909, Webster's 3rd, AHD 1st, Shorter OED).



My guess is that this Taiwanese form comes from the Japanese

occupation period (1895-1945), since most of the English AUTO-

compounds strike me as old fashioned, certainly not in my active

vocabulary:



autobus, autoboat, autocar, autoette, autocarriage, autorail,

autosled, autotruck; cf. autogiro, -gyro, autocamp, auto lift,

automaker, autorail.



There must be an English *autobike out there somewhere; perhaps

someone could report an attestation of it for me.



Warren Brewer

ncut054 [AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] twnmoe10



Date:     Sun, 14 Feb 1993 19:29:50 -0600

From: dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]STAFF.TC.UMN.EDU

Subject:   Forwarded message...



----- Forwarded message begins here -----

From: wolford <WOLFORD%UCS.INDIANA.EDU[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]KSUVM.KSU.EDU>

Sat, 13 Feb 1993 15:08:44 EST

To: Multiple recipients of list FOLKLORE <FOLKLORE[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]TAMVM1.BITNET>

Subject: to see the elephant



    In early February someone was asking about the phrase "to

see the elephant." I'm a little late responding, but a source to look

at would be the _Dictionary of Regional English_ vol. 2, p.286, which

lists 7 sources, most of them literary and the earliest dating to

1840. Texas, Claifornia, Oregon, Georgia, and NYC are all mentioned as

areas in which it was used. However, if you're looking only for the

original meaning or intent of the phrase, this source does not indicate

that.



        John Wolford

------ Forwarded message ends here ------

Date:     Tue, 16 Feb 1993 16:24:00 EST

From: Paul Mangiafico <PMANGIAFICO%GUVAX.BITNET[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu>

Subject:   E-Text Information via Gopher and FTP



We thought this announcement might be of interest to your community.

It is also being sent to a number of other discussion groups in the

library and humanities communities.



Paul Mangiafico, project assistant



Center for Text & Technology         pmangiafico[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]guvax.bitnet

Academic Computer Center, 238 Reiss     pmangiafico[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]guvax.georgetown.edu

Georgetown University            tel: 202-687-6096

Washington, DC 20057 USA          fax: 202-687-6003



       CPET DIGESTS NOW AVAILABLE VIA GOPHER AND FTP



For the past four years, Georgetown University's Center for Text &

Technology (CTT), under the aegis of the Academic Computer Center,

has been compiling a directory of projects that create and analyze

electronic text in the humanities. A relational database

accessible via the Internet, Georgetown's Catalogue of Projects in

Electronic Text (CPET) includes information on more than 350

projects throughout the world.



Now digests of project information -- organized by humanities

discipline and by language of the electronic text -- can be read,

searched, and retrieved by means of the Internet's protocols for

Gopher and anonymous FTP. There are digests for 40 different

languages, as well as for linguistics, literature, philosophy,

biblical studies, and a variety of others, ranging from Medieval

and Renaissance studies to Archaeology, African studies, and

Buddhism.





GOPHER - INSTRUCTIONS FOR ACCESS



The CPET digests are organized into subdirectories on Georgetown

University's Gopher server. If you have never used Gopher, you may

wish to consult your local Internet expert to determine whether you

have access to Gopher client software or to obtain for instructions

for using it. At many locations, one simply types the word GOPHER

at the system prompt of the networked mainframe.



Once inside the main Gopher directory, look for CPET files under:



   Other Gopher and Information Servers

   North America

   USA

   Washington, DC

   Georgetown University



Please note that the menu item for Washington, DC, appears

alphabetically after Washington state and not after Delaware.



On the Georgetown server look into the directory

CPET_PROJECTS_IN_ELECTRONIC_TEXT, where you will find the following

files and subdirectories:



   1. CPET_DIGESTS_INTRODUCTION.TXT (information on the digests)

   2. CPET_INTRODUCTION.TXT (information on the CPET database)

   3. CPET_USER_GUIDE.TXT (how to access the on-line database)

   4. DIGESTS_DISCIPLINES.DIR (digests organized by discipline)

   5. DIGESTS_LANGUAGES.DIR (digests organized by language)



The filenames of the digests have as extensions the approximate

size in kilobytes of each file; filesize will determine the length

of time needed to acquire the file.



Before retrieving any of the digests, please read the introductory

file (CPET_DIGESTS_INTRODUCTION.TXT).





FTP - INSTRUCTIONS FOR ACCESS



The digests are arranged in a similar structure in Georgetown's FTP

server. To survey the digests, first enter the following command

from your system prompt:



   ftp guvax.georgetown.edu (or ftp 141.161.1.2)



When requested, login with the username ANONYMOUS and a password

according to the formula YOURNAME[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]YOURSITE.



Once within GUVAX, at the ftp prompt ( often either ftp> or * ),

change directories as follows:



   ftp> cd cpet_projects_in_electronic_text



Then if you then enter a directory command -- DIR -- you will find

the same files and subdirectories that are described in the

preceding section of these directions on gopher.



To inspect the other directories in a subdirectory, change

directories again. Do not enter the .DIR extension or the version

number, and distinguish between hyphens and underscores when typing

the filenames.



For example, at the prompt enter a command such as the following:



   ftp>cd digests_disciplines



To explore further the directory structure and the file contents,

enter the commands to show the directory (DIR) or to change the

directory (CD) as often as necessary.



Note: some subdirectories contain more than one complete screen of

filenames, so when you enter a dir command, the initial contents of

the subdirectory may scroll off the screen. To stop the scrolling,

use whatever device your system permits. For example, with VAX VMS

one would use CTRL-S (that is, hold down the CTRL key and press the

S key) to stop scrolling and CTRL-Q to continue scrolling.



To retrieve a file, type at the ftp prompt the command GET followed

by the name of the file (with the filename extension) that you wish

to retrieve. For example,



   ftp> get finnish.17K



A system message will confirm that the file has been transferred to

your computer (more specifically, to the directory from which you

invoked ftp).



To leave FTP, enter at the prompt the command BYE.



   ftp> bye





If you have any questions or comments on this service, or would

like to learn more about CPET and Georgetown's Center for Text and

Technology, please contact us at the address below.







Georgetown Catalogue of Projects in Electronic Text (CPET)

Center for Text & Technology

Academic Computer Center, Reiss 238

Georgetown University, Washington, DC 20057 USA

tel: 202-687-6096    fax: 202-687-6003



Contacts:

   Paul Mangiafico, CPET Project Assistant

      pmangiafico[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]guvax.georgetown.edu

   Dr. Michael Neuman, Director, Center for Text & Technology

      neuman[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]guvax.georgetown.edu



Date:     Wed, 17 Feb 1993 17:19:56 -0500

From: Mike Agnes <by971[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CLEVELAND.FREENET.EDU>

Subject:   "to see the elephant"



Sept. 3, 1979, issue of New York magazine yields the following

citation:



There was a glass pavilion holding 500 drinkers and a huge hotel

built in the shape of an elephant that drew thousands of

sightseers. (It drew thousands more for quite another purpose.

In the slang of the period, when someone was "going to see the

elephant," it meant he was going to get laid.)



It is impossible to be certain from my citation slip, but I

believe it likely that the context refers to Coney Island,

New York. Comparison of this with the DARE citations referred

to by John Wolford is fascinating, I find.



>From the depths of bronchitis that makes me fumble for my

.45 cartridges, I bid you all the best.



--

   Mike Agnes   INTERNET: by971[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cleveland.freenet.edu

          BITNET:  by971%cleveland.freenet.edu[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cunyvm

          FAX:   216 579-1255

Date:     Thu, 18 Feb 1993 05:31:30 CST

From: Natalie Maynor <maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

Subject:   Re: address



> is the ads-l[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.bitnet address out of date, or the same as the

> nodak.edu address? does it matter which I use?

> beth simon blsimon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]macc.wisc.edu



What nodak.edu address?? The list is still at UGA. Since your address is

an internet address, it would be more efficient for you to send list mail

to ads-l[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu instead of ads-l[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.bitnet, but either will do.

  --Natalie (maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ra.msstate.edu)

Date:     Fri, 19 Feb 1993 18:59:09 -0600

From: Dan Goodman <dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]STAFF.TC.UMN.EDU>

Subject:   Query on Japanese word allegedly from English



----- Forwarded message begins here -----

From: Mike Barker <barker[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AEGIS.OR.JP>

Thu, 18 Feb 1993 14:09:28 JST

To: Multiple recipients of list WRITERS <WRITERS[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]VM1.NoDak.EDU>

Subject: Word of the Day



Hepburn: konsento

pronounced: con-sen-to



When I first came to Japan, I wondered why people kept asking about

consent - and other people would point them at the wall, then relax. I

almost expected that there would be a framed contract or something on

the wall, giving permission for whatever these people were asking about.



You'll need one for most of the electrical devices, and in most Japanese

houses each one is the center of an octopus of extension cords. That's

right, this is the electrical outlet or wall socket.



Derivation: the dictionary says concentric plug. I've never heard of

that term, and I've asked hardware engineers who say they've never heard

of it before either.

------ Forwarded message ends here ------

Date: 21 February 93, 19:30:52 EST

From: David Bergdahl      (614) 593-2783    BERGDAHL at OUACCVMB

To:  ADS-L at UGA



We've all grown accustomed to the reversal of the usual sense of

"liberal" and conservative" as, for example, the opponents of private

ownership in the formwer USSR are referred as "conservative" or

"rightist" when they are unrepenitent communists and therefore

archetypically "left." The reanalysis of left/right and

liberal/conservative seems to have been the result of deciding

capitalism is the "future" and socialism the "past" and that

liberal=progressive=left and that conservative=clinging to past

forms=right. However a new reanalysis may be in the works, among

students at least. In the Friday OU POST an article on the decline in

fraternity rushees attributes the drop to the fact that students were

more "liberal" in the recent past, and so more willing to join

fraternities. The actual text is "The campus is becoming more

conservative," he [DU president] said. "The Greek system doesn't seem

to be as appealing to those comong in. Four years ago, the campus was

more liberal."



How would you construe this new, improved use of 'liberal"?



David Bergdahl Ohio University/Athens "Gateway to West Virginia"

BERGDAHL AT OUACCVMB.Bitnet-or-BERGDAHL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]OUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU

**********************************************************************

Date:     Tue, 23 Feb 1993 18:23:02 CST

From: Dan Goodman <dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]STAFF.TC.UMN.EDU>

Subject:   Conservative & Liberal change meanings



On Sun, 21 Feb 1993 19:52:48 -050,

 David Bergdahl writes:



>We've all grown accustomed to the reversal of the usual sense of

>"liberal" and conservative" as, for example, the opponents of private

>ownership in the formwer USSR are referred as "conservative" or

>"rightist" when they are unrepenitent communists and therefore

>archetypically "left."



Ambrose Bierce gave the best definitions in THE DEVIL'S DICTIONARY. This

is from memory, but I think it's fairly close to the original:

Conservative: A statesman enamored of the existing evils; as distinguished

from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. Bierce also

defined a radical as: One who introduces the conservatism of tomorrow into

the politics of today.



Dan Goodman dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]staff.tc.umn.edu

Date:     Sun, 28 Feb 1993 16:53:16 -0600

From: Dan Goodman <dsg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]STAFF.TC.UMN.EDU>

Subject:   "That's it -- Fort Pitt!"