Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 07:32:37 -0600
From: mftcf[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UXA.ECN.BGU.EDU
Subject: Re: Regional variation in BE
On Thu, 30 Dec 1993, Rudy Troike wrote:
> Dear Joan, Sali, Tim, et al. ADS-Lers,
> The reference to regional variation in BE/AAVE that I made was the
> hardly momentous and necessarily largely anecdotal paper I published ages
> ago (20 years!), in which the call for research on this topic has gone
> largely unheeded. Unfortunately, valuable possibilities have disappeared
> in the meantime. The reference is:
> Troike, Rudolph C. "On Social, Regional, and Age Variation in Black
> English," Florida FL Reporter (1973, Spring/Fall), 7-8.
> One pervasive feature which seems to have a much wider occurrence
> in the East is the devoicing of final -/d/, replaced with either /t/ or glotta
> stop. At the time, I had not encountered this in Texas. Another items was
> evidence that older speakers in Texas had the /IN/:/EN/ distinction, but that
> it had been lost among younger speakers. This evidence considerably confounds
> the view that the lack of the distinction is an original diagnostic of BE.
> With more research, much more could be (could have been) found.
> On Tim's interesting anecdote, I found differences between speakers in
> Houston and Dallas, but his story calls to mind a student I had once who came
> up after class and asked, in a strong "Brooklynese" pronunciation, if I though
> she sounded like a Southerner. I was rather astonished by the question, and
> assured her that she did not, so far as I could tell on casual hearing. Then
> she explained, almost in tears, that she had lived for two years in Atlanta, G
> where her husband had been stationed, and that after about a year, when she
> would call home to her parents in Brooklyn, they would accuse her of "sounding
> like a Southerner", evidently implying that this was somewhat treasonous to
> family solidarity. As a result, she was feeling somewhat estranged from her
> parents, which was very upsetting to her. The phonetic differences, whatever
> they were, were clearly very subtle, but were enough to be detectable to
> members of the linguistic community (her parents).
> This is a common experience, of course, for all of its being little
> documented. Brits are often able to detect minute differences in regional
> varieties which are unidentifiable to American ears, at least on first hearing
> Someone once gave me a tape of a young speaker from NYC who was "obviously"
> Black, but when played for a colleague who was a native speaker, he expressed
> doubt, though he could not put his finger on anything specific. He was in fact
> right -- the speaker on tape was a Nuyorican -- New York Puerto Rican. But
> again, the differences were so subtle that they would probably not have been
> expressible even in narrow phonetic transcription.
> Now, the urgent need is still to document regional differences before
> they change or (pace Dennis) disappear.
> Feliz Navidad, y'all,
> --Rudy
>
I just had another experince last week like Rudy descirbed back in December.
A student in my grad class went to Colo. and met a Texas lady who had a
pronounced coastal southern pronunciation (Shirley does a good
imitation). But shirley's lady was told she talked like a Yankee when
she went home. This reminded me of Raven McDAvid's stories about goin
ghome to So. Car. and being told he talked like a Yankee. This always
surpirsed me becasue Raven's dialect was so different from my own that
wen he referred to the LANCS community of "Murphysboro" (IL) I would have
to get him to repeat it several times before I knew what he was talking
about. This is interesting because, as Rudy says, there are linguistic
cues that folks recognize, but they are very subtle. I hear stories like
this a lot and can never imagine what the cues might be, even though I
think I have a pretty good ear. This all sugests that even if some sort
of national levelling of extreme regional diferences ever takes place
(which I doubt anyway) there will remain significant distinctions which
many commentators will miss.
January's gone--goodbye and good riddance!
Tim Frazer