Date:  Thu, 19 Jan 1995 11:53:00 PST

From:  Ellen Fennell <EMF[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MSMAIL.WINROCK.ORG>

Subject: Re: You guys



My St. Louis cousins used to offend our ears with the term "you guys." We

thought the gender inclusive "you all" or "y'all" much more acceptable.



By the way, isn't today Robert E. Lee's birthday?



EFennell

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From: ADS-L

To: Multiple recipients of list ADS-L

Subject: You guys

Date: Thursday, January 19, 1995 11:23AM



I grew up in a NY suburb evenly divided demographically into long time

residents, people who moved out from NYC, and people who moved in from the

Midwest (or elsewhere) to take jobs in NYC. Because of the different

dialects

represented, language variation was a common recess topic of discussion

and/or

mockery. Alongside "Which is right, soda or pop?" and "Say chocolate. Eeew,

is

THAT how you say it?" we also had disagreements about the status of "You

guys". Some of my female friends (I'd like to say it was the ones who said

POP

instead of SODA, but I honestly don't remember.) were grievously offended at

uses of "you guys" addressing an all-female group. Others of us (me

included)

were quite comfortable with this generic usage. This was c. 25 years ago.



Despite my parents' NYC background, I didn't encounter "youse" or variants

thereof until the summer before I entered college, when I had a job in the

city. Of course, my parents claim they moved to Westchester so I WOULDN'T

grow

up talking like that!



Alice Faber