End of ADS-L Digest - 16 Jul 1997 to 17 Jul 1997 ************************************************ Subject: ADS-L Digest - 17 Jul 1997 to 18 Jul 1997 tatus: U X-Mozilla-Status: 2001 There are 9 messages totalling 249 lines in this issue. Topics of the day: 1. pre-consonantal /l/ in AAVE (2) 2. Bade, long and short (2) 3. circe/sirsi/circi 4. SCRATCH THAT LAST MESSAGE (2) 5. more for bade (2) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 10:13:06 -0400 From: Jack Chambers Subject: Re: pre-consonantal /l/ in AAVE I think that l-less form of 'film' and 'milk' has a velar approximant (in IPA an upside down m with a tail on the right side) before the final consonant. The velar approximant is what's left of a dark l if you don't make the alveolar contact. In Cdn Eng and lots of other accents, it can occur finally and preconsonantally but not in all environments. Before a following coronal noncontinuant, the /l/ has to retain its coronality. So you never get the velar approximant in 'belt', 'guilt', gold, guild, etc. In final position, it never occurs in collocations such as 'hill top', 'pull toy' or 'kill time'. It does occur freely across the word boundary with noncoronals, as in 'ball game' and 'pill box'. (I wrote about this for the ADS centennial meeting at Berkeley in 1989, and revised the paper at Allan's request in 1995, but so far the proceedings are still in press. Or maybe not.) So if the AAVE version had the same constraint, then the "l-lessness" of the word 'results' must have been a different, unrelated thing. Jack Chambers