Date: Tue, 25 Jul 1995 13:10:58 -0400 From: "Peter L. Patrick" Subject: Re: idear Further on the responses by Bill Kretzschmar and David Carlson: you can find good discussions and LANE maps of the post-vocalic ("work"), final ("father") and linking ("law-r-and-order") /r/ in NEw ENgland speech in the ADS centennial volume (Francis's article, 18-22, and LANE Map 550 in "American Dialect Research", ed. dI[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]n[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]s Preston, I believe), which notes the generalization that you tend to find 'law-r-an-ohdeh' East, and 'law-and-order' West, of the Connecticut, presumably thanks to Boston's influence. I'm not sure how current this generalization is and would be interested to know, as I use this sometimes as a convenient teaching example. An even earlier view was Bernard Bloch's "Postvocalic /r/ in New England Speech..." (1939), partially reproduced with his own charts in Allen & Underwood, 1971, 'Readings in American Dialectology'. AS to sherbet, which I love, whenever I find it in the stores these days it's almost invariably dubbed 'sorbet', which eliminates the second /r/ entirely for the linguistically insecure, though it appears to considerably raise the price of the product... (If 'sherbert' might be influenced by 'Herbert', what about 'sorbet'? Corbet? corbeille?) --peter patrick