There is one message totalling 19 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. Translations



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Date:  Fri, 31 May 1996 23:41:13 -0700

From:  Kim & Rima McKinzey  rkm[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]SLIP.NET 

Subject: Translations



For your edification, I quote from an article in the San Francisco

Chronicle today, (May 31, 1996).



...Even now, says Walter Mossberg in the Wall Street Journal, Web surfers

can use $49 software called Web Translator to have Spanish, French or

German rendered into English, or vice versa, in less than a minute. But

the Canadian foreign minister comes out as "the alien Business minister of

Canada." Prime Mnister Chretien translates as "the Christian prime

minister." The month of May is "perhaps" in French. A headline from

German says: "Cabbage: Future of the Grandsons Do Not Lose."



Rima



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There are 2 messages totalling 110 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. LASSO Last Call

 2. Sid Greenbaum



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Date:  Mon, 3 Jun 1996 12:58:46 -0600

From:  "Garland D. Bills"  gbills[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UNM.EDU 

Subject: LASSO Last Call



              LAST CALL FOR PAPERS

                 LASSO XXV



            25th Annual Meeting of the

         Linguistic Association of the Southwest



              October 11-13, 1996

            Louisiana State University

             Baton Rouge, Louisiana



Invited Speaker: Barbara Johnstone (Texas A&M University)

         "Profiles of Texas Speech: Discourse Issues"



   Proposals for papers in any area of linguistics will be

considered. Submissions for the 1995 meeting in Baton Rouge are

particularly encouraged in the areas of discourse analysis,

languages and variation in Louisana, and Mayan linguistics.

Papers by graduate students are especially solicited and may be

considered for the Helmut Esau Prize, a $250 cash award made

annually by LASSO.



   Presentation time for papers will be limited to twenty

minutes plus ten minutes for discussion.



   **The DEADLINE for receipt of abstracts is June 15, 1996.**

Notification of acceptance of papers will be sent out by August

1, 1996.



   Only one abstract as single author and a second as co-author

will be accepted from any individual.



   Abstracts must be no longer than one page ( c. 250 words)

and should summarize the main points of the paper and explain

relevant aspects of the data, methodology, and argumentation

employed; abstracts of accepted papers will be published exactly

as received in a booklet for distribution at the meeting. At the

beginning of your abstract place the paper title, and at the end

of the abstract (or on a separate page) repeat the title along

with your name, affiliation, mailing address, telephone number,

and e-mail address.



   It is preferred that abstracts be submitted by e-mail to:

        ditmg[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ttacs1.ttu.edu

In the absence of e-mail, or if your abstract contains any

special symbols, send one hard copy of the abstract (preferably

with a diskette, labeled for operating system and word processing

program) to:

        Mary Jane Hurst

        Department of English

        Texas Tech University

        Lubbock, TX 79409-3091

         Tel. (806) 742-2501



 *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *



Presentation of papers at the LASSO annual meetings is a

privilege of membership in LASSO; 1995 dues must be paid by June

15 in order for your abstract to be considered. Annual membership

dues for individuals are US$15.00 (or US$7.50 for students,

retired persons, and those not employed). To pay dues or for

additional information, contact:

        Garland D. Bills

        Executive Director, LASSO

        Department of Linguistics

        University of New Mexico

        Albuquerque, NM 87131-1196 USA

         Tel. (505) 277-7416

         Fax (505) 277-6355

         E-mail: gbills[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE].unm.edu



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Date:  Mon, 3 Jun 1996 16:07:59 -0400

From:  Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Sid Greenbaum



This unhappy news comes via John Algeo and Braj Kachru. - Allan Metcalf



Fri, 31 May 1996 16:08:38 +0000

To: Braj Kachru  b-kachru[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ux1.cso.uiuc.edu 

From: ucleseu[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ucl.ac.uk (Survey of English Usage)

Subject:



Dear Professor Kachru,



I am so sorry to have to tell you that Professor Sidney Greenbaum died

suddenly on Tuesday morning 28 May at Moscow State University,

where he was giving a series of lectures. He will be buried at 12.20

on Monday 3 June at the Edmonton Cemetery of the Federation of

Synagogues.



Marie Gibney.

Survey of English Usage

Department of English

University College London

Gower Street

London WC1E 6BT

UK



phone  0171-419-3121 direct line S. Greenbaum

      0171-419-3120 direct line SEU Research Unit



fax    0171-916-2054



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There is one message totalling 16 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. swooft/rustin



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Date:  Wed, 5 Jun 1996 04:15:16 -1000

From:  Norman Roberts  nroberts[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]HAWAII.EDU 

Subject: Re: swooft/rustin



Up north in New England around the turn of the century give or take a

decade or two, the term "rusticating" was used to describe a marginal

college student who had been sent to live with a rural pastor to receive

tutoring in Latin and Greek. Popular regional novels of this period

usually have a "rusticating" student who among other things breaks hearts,

ruins young maids, and finally comes to a well deserved bad end. I've never

used the term, but I learned it from my sainted great aunt, she who was the

high school principal in 1910.

I wonder if the Mississippi folks just economized on a syllable here?



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There are 2 messages totalling 52 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. New email address: Bethany Dumas

 2. Packy revisited



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Date:  Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:07:02 -0400

From:  "Bethany K. Dumas"  dumasb[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTK.EDU 

Subject: New email address: Bethany Dumas



The University of Tennessee will pull the plug on all its VAX

computers on June 30; after that, we'll all be using the UNIX. Any messages

sent to a vax address (one containing "utkvx") after June 30 will bounce.



I am now subscribed to all lists from the address:



dumasb[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]utk.edu



Please use that address for any personal correspondence henceforth.



Thanks,

Bethany



P.S. Thanks to David Hale's generous donation of some of his time, LJP

2.1-2 is now online at the URL listed below.



Bethany K. Dumas, J.D., Ph.D.  | Applied Linguistics, Language & Law

Dep't of English, UT, Knoxville | EMAIL: dumasb[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]utk.edu

415 McClung Tower        | (423) 974-6965 | FAX (423) 974-6926

Knoxville, TN 37996-0430    | Editor, Language in the Judicial Process

                  http://ljp.la.utk.edu 



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Date:  Thu, 6 Jun 1996 23:40:47 -0400

From:  ALICE FABER  faber[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]HASKINS.YALE.EDU 

Subject: Packy revisited



A few weeks ago, there was some discussion on the list about the term "packy"

for a liquor store. As per recollections by Lynn Murphy, this seems to be a

Massachusetts term, especially Western Massachusetts (which starts, as far as

I can tell, at Worcester, in other words, comprising the western 3/4 of the

state, but that's another thread). Based on some other folks' unfamiliarity

with the term, Lynn had speculated that this might be a more "college-y" term.

At that time, I had volunteered to commission my sister to investigate among

her colleagues. This evening I received her report (along with a request for

other instances of regional variation in preposition usage along side "wait on

line" vs "wait in line", to which I could only add "sick to/at/in one's

stomach"). Her colleagues, from Enfield and Windsor, CT (essentially, just

south of the Mass/CT border) can't imagine calling a liquor store anything

other than a "packy"; my sister, as a non-drinker, had never encountered the

term before I commissioned her. These colleagues are 20-something to

30-something, not all college educated...



Alice Faber



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Topics of the day:



 1. Packy revisited (5)



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Date:  Sat, 8 Jun 1996 09:59:47 -0700

From:  David Goldstein-Shirley  dsgoldst[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]EA.OAC.UCI.EDU 

Subject: Re: Packy revisited



Although I was subscribed to this list by someone else and have been

trying unsuccessfully for some time to be unsubscribed (if the listowner

is reading, would you please unsubscribe me?), I do have a response

regarding the term "packy" for a liquor store.



Is it possible that it refers to the ownership of many liquor stores by

Pakistanis? I wouldn't be surprised if it is a British slang term.



David Goldstein-Shirley

University of California, Irvine



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Date:  Sat, 8 Jun 1996 14:10:39 -0400

From:  Margaret Ronkin  ronkinm[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]GUSUN.GEORGETOWN.EDU 

Subject: Re: Packy revisited



    I too thought of your interpretation, but I felt that it

was unlikely in the context in which 'packy' was used on this list.



    Also, the British abbreviation of 'Pakistani' is 'paki'

or 'pakki', which came into use in the skinhead era/late 60s.

Tony Thorne's _Dictionary of Contemporary Slang_ (1990) gives three

senses of this shortening: (1) "an offensive racial epithet"; (2)

"a descriptive term for the many independent corner stores owned

and run by (South Asian) immigrant families", and (3) (still awake?)

"commercial or low-grade (South Asian) hashish... as opposed to

premimium products from Afghanistan, Kashmir, Nepal, etc.".



    I think it's unlikely that 'paki'/'packy' in the second sense

refers to "the ownership of many liquor stores by Pakistanis".

Pakistani expats may be branching into the liquor business, but

Pakistan is an Islamic republic (in which only "non-Muslims" and

"foreigners" can legally obtain liquor) and, I think, many if not most

expats would still try to uphold community values, at least in

public.





- Maggie Ronkin





On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, David Goldstein-Shirley wrote:



  Although I was subscribed to this list by someone else and have been

  trying unsuccessfully for some time to be unsubscribed (if the listowner

  is reading, would you please unsubscribe me?), I do have a response

  regarding the term "packy" for a liquor store.

 

  Is it possible that it refers to the ownership of many liquor stores by

  Pakistanis? I wouldn't be surprised if it is a British slang term.

 

  David Goldstein-Shirley

  University of California, Irvine

 



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Date:  Sat, 8 Jun 1996 14:13:25 -0400

From:  Robert Swets  bobbo[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]BCFREENET.SEFLIN.LIB.FL.US 

Subject: Re: Packy revisited



Rather than Pakistani ownership, I think the word refers to packaged

liquor availability.



It was nice of somebody to subscribe you.

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Date:  Sat, 8 Jun 1996 17:35:05 -0500

From:  Natalie Maynor  maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU 

Subject: Re: Packy revisited



  Although I was subscribed to this list by someone else and have been

  trying unsuccessfully for some time to be unsubscribed (if the listowner

  is reading, would you please unsubscribe me?), I do have a response



  Date:     Sat, 8 Jun 1996 18:32:00 -0400

  From: "L-Soft list server at UGA (1.8b)"  LISTSERV[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu 

 

    query ads-l for dsgoldst[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ea.oac.uci.edu

  There is no subscription for dsgoldst[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]EA.OAC.UCI.EDU in the ADS-L list.

 



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Date:  Sat, 8 Jun 1996 22:21:00 EDT

From:  Larry Horn  LHORN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU 

Subject: Re: Packy revisited



 I think it's unlikely that 'paki'/'packy' in the second sense

 refers to "the ownership of many liquor stores by Pakistanis".

 Pakistani expats may be branching into the liquor business, but

 Pakistan is an Islamic republic (in which only "non-Muslims" and

 "foreigners" can legally obtain liquor) and, I think, many if not most

 expats would still try to uphold community values, at least in

 public.



Especially unlikely in the context of the use under discussion, given the

relative paucity of Pakistani-owned liquor stores in Western Massachusetts.

As we seem to have determined from the earlier discussion of the range of

these items, the distribution of "packy" is a subset of that of "package

store", which extends through much of (southern and central?) New England.

Thus there are proportionately far more "packies" along the Connecticut River

valley and adjacent areas of Massachusetts than in New Haven or Boston, but

as far as I know no such disparity can be observed in the distribution of

Pakistanis.

(Oh, and doo-wop music wasn't originated by Italians either.)



      Larry



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Topics of the day:



 1. vowels for Bosnia



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Date:  Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:41:13 -0400

From:  William Smith  wh5mith[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MINDSPRING.COM 

Subject: Re: vowels for Bosnia



"Click and Clack" (alias Ray and Tom Magliaci) used this routine a couple of

months ago

on their NPR show "Car Talk."



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There are 2 messages totalling 157 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. Electronic copyright

 2. Packy revisited



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Date:  Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:25:56 -0400

From:  Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Electronic copyright



You might be interested in this report on copyright proposals for electronic

materials. It came from Douglas Bennett, vice president of the American

Council of Learned Societies. If you have questions, you can address him at:

doug[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]acls.org

- Allan Metcalf



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  For those interested in copyright matters, here's a brief summary of the

May

30 meeting of the Conference on Fair Use (CONFU). Over the winter and

spring,

six working groups have been preparing draft guidelines in various areas for

copyright fair use in digital environments. May 30 was the first meeting of

the

full group in several months. It was an important opportunity for taking

stock

of where we are, and for identifying some issues of consistency among the

various sets of draft guidelines.



1. The group reaffirmed that we are working towards a November finishing

date.

The next meeting of the full group will be in early September. The small

working groups will meet as needed over the summer.



2. The group approved the final text of a letter to Congress stating that we



are making progress and also indicating when we expect to finish. In

testimony

this spring, CONFU had been depicted as disorganized and unlikely to produce

anything, and the group as a whole wanted to correct that misimpression.



3. Even though CONFU is making progress and has set November for the

expected

completion, it is not yet clear that CONFU will produce guidelines that can

win

wide acceptance. There is a separate story to be told about each of the six

areas (see below). Also, not everyone agrees that arriving at guidelines

would

in general be a good thing. A major thread in the May 30 discussion was how

to

word a common preamble for all the guidelines; this discussion turned very

much

on whether the guidelines should be seen as maxima or minima in terms of what



users can expect to do with copyrighted materials.



4. Here's a brief (and no doubt idiosyncratic) summary of the progress of

each

working group.



Multimedia. Work in this area has been led by Ivan Bender and Lisa

Livingstone

of CCUMC, the Consortium of College and University Media Centers. Their work



began even before CONFU, so these guidelines are the most fully developed.

 They

focus mostly on educational rather than scholarly uses. A key feature of

these

draft guidelines is that they include fairly strict 'portion limitations' on

how

much of a piece of music or a moving image (etc.) could be used under fair

use.



Image archives. A first effort at writing guidelines was abandoned by many

participants as unproductive, and a new small group took shape around

Christmas,

with Pat Williams of the American Association of Museums is serving as

convenor.

This group has been meeting frequently since then and has made significant

progress. Originally focused on images for art history, these guidelines now



any broader scope to include (for example) medical images. A key feature of

these draft guidelines is a parsing of the problem into two parts: (a) what



could be done under fair use in terms of digitizing and using current images

currently held, such as those in slide libraries, and (b) what might be fair

use

of images originally aquired in digital form.



E-Reserves. For a time no progress was made on this topic, commercial

publishers holding that there could be no legitimate digital version of a

'reserve room.' A group of representatives from a range of not-for-profit

organizations then began meeting and has developed a complete draft. The

American Association of Publishers (AAP) has indicated that this draft is

unacceptable, and (from the other side) the Association of Research Libraries



has identified some concerns that will be discussed in July. Several other

library organizations have indicated their comfort with the draft, as have

the

Association of American University Presses and the American Council of

Learned

Societies. Kenny Crews of the Indiana Partnership for Statewide Education is



the convenor. The group will collect comments through the end of July and

then

see whether to undertake any revision.



Inter-library loan and document delivery. In addition to the fair use

provisions (section 107), there are specific provisions of the copyright law

(section 108) which pertain to interlibrary loan. In this area, too, there

was

an extended period where little progress was made, particularly as the

discussion stayed very close to the current interlibrary loan practices. In

early May, AAP put forward a new, paradigm-breaking proposal. Later in May,

a

representatives of libraries met to formulate a counter proposal, also

paradigm

breaking. Time will tell if anything can come of these new ideas. There is

one

area of agreement: that it is premature to speak of guidelines for digital

delivery of digital originals; the current discussion is about digital

delivery

of analog documents (fax, Ariel, etc.). Mary Jackson of ARL is serving as

convenor.



Distance learning. Guidelines for distance learning need to take account of

section 110 of the copyright law as well as the fair use provisions. Under

the

direction of Lolly Gassaway (Association of American Universities), this

group

divided distance learning into two kinds. A draft has been completed

covering

fair use in 'traditional distance learning,' using, for example, satellite

transmission or statewide cable networks. Barely broached is the question of



what guidelines might be appropriate for the next generation of distance

learning, using computer networks and individual student workstations for

digital delivery and receipt of materials.



Software use in libraries. There was an early agreement in this area not to

write guidelines but rather only to write scenarios. There is a

close-to-final

draft which has been the work of Mark Traphagen (Software Publishers Assoc.)

and

Sally Wiant (Special Libraries Assoc.).



Music materials. A group met in April to consider whether there should be

guidelines for the fair use of music materials in degital environments. They



decided that current guidelines (formulated in the 1970s) were sufficient.



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Date:  Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:23:25 -0400

From:  Elizabeta ZARGI  betka[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CS.MCGILL.CA 

Subject: Re: Packy revisited



PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST!!!

thank you



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There are 3 messages totalling 63 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. USAGE: however

 2. However

 3. National Endowment for the Humanities



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Date:  Tue, 11 Jun 1996 08:44:13 -0600

From:  Kat Rose  Kat.Rose[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]SPOT.COLORADO.EDU 

Subject: USAGE: however



Norman Grossblatt gave examples:

 "He is going. However, I'm not." "I, however, am not" and "I'm not,

however" are neither more precise nor easier to understand. 



My $.02, FWIW:

An exercise for actors varies the stress on words in a passage to teach

them that *how* they say their lines is as important as *what* the lines

say (and sometimes more important). For me, word order suggests appropriate

stress and, therefore, shades of meaning. For example,

*He* is going. *I*, however, am not.

He *is* going. However, *I'm* not.

He is *going*. I'm *not*, however.

 I *rarely* use "however" at the beginning of a sentence (because I find

that meaning is more enhanced when it is elsewhere); when I *do*, however,

I do it purposefully, because in these cases meaning is clearer with it in

that position.



BTW, How nice it is to be in touch with other people who care about such

things!



[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] -- ---

Kat Rose   Kat.Rose[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]spot.Colorado.edu

My words, my rights, my responsibility



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Date:  Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:00:02 -0600

From:  Kat Rose  Kat.Rose[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]SPOT.COLORADO.EDU 

Subject: However



Sorry folks. My finger slipped and picked up the wrong address. The

"however" thread is happenin' on a whole 'nother list. I'll try to be more

careful.



[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] -- ---

Kat Rose   Kat.Rose[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]spot.Colorado.edu

My words, my rights, my responsibility



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Date:  Tue, 11 Jun 1996 15:12:33 -0400

From:  Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: National Endowment for the Humanities



NEH announces that its 30th Annual Report is available, containing

descriptions of programs and complete listing of grants made Oct 94-Sep 95.



You can find it at: http://www.neh.fed.us



Hard copies are available from:  info[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]neh.fed.us



If you'd like to get e-mail announcements about new NEH programs, and reports

on Congressional actions regarding NEH funding (from our NEH support

organization in Washington, the National Humanities Alliance), let me know

and I'll put you on my special NEH-NHA mailing list. - Allan Metcalf,

AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]aol.com



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Topics of the day:



 1. Washington Post Article



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Date:  Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:20:53 -0400

From:  Paul Fallon  pfallon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]S850.MWC.EDU 

Subject: Washington Post Article



Dear ADSers:



The Washington Post edition of Wednesday, June 12, has a feature article

on accents in the Horizon section. It cites many ADS members and has

some fun graphics which would make it good posting on bulletin boards.

Readers of this list may wish to browse a copy in a library or pick up an

issue from an out of town newstand. Overall, the article in well done,

and readers can call "Post Haste", the Post's phone service, to hear

sound bytes from different accents.



Best,



Paul Fallon



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Topics of the day:



 1. firecat (2)



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Date:  Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:10:44 -0600

From:  Joan Houston Hall  jdhall[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU 

Subject: Re: firecat



John Serio, editor of The Wallace Stevens Journal, has asked for help in

identifying the "firecat" in the following poem by Stevens. Does anyone

know the term? He says that in a letter Stevens said that he had "actual

animals" in mind.



            Earthy Anecdote



Every time the bucks went clattering

Over Oklahoma

A firecat bristled in the way.



Wherever they went,

They went clattering,

Until they swerved

In a swift, circular line

To the right,

Because of the firecat.



Or until they swerved

In a swift, circular line

To the left,

Because of the firecat.



The bucks clattered.

The firecat went leaping

To the right, to the left,

And

Bristled in the way.



Later, the firecat closed his bright eyes

And slept.



Joan Hall, DARE



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Date:  Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:02:18 EDT

From:  Terry Lynn Irons  t.irons[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MOREHEAD-ST.EDU 

Subject: Re: firecat



 

  John Serio, editor of The Wallace Stevens Journal, has asked for help in

  identifying the "firecat" in the following poem by Stevens. Does anyone

  know the term? He says that in a letter Stevens said that he had "actual

  animals" in mind.

 

             Earthy Anecdote

 

  Every time the bucks went clattering

  Over Oklahoma

  A firecat bristled in the way.

 

  Wherever they went,

  They went clattering,

  Until they swerved

  In a swift, circular line

  To the right,

  Because of the firecat.

 

  Or until they swerved

  In a swift, circular line

  To the left,

  Because of the firecat.

 

  The bucks clattered.

  The firecat went leaping

  To the right, to the left,

  And

  Bristled in the way.

 

  Later, the firecat closed his bright eyes

  And slept.

 



An album by Cat Stevens (really his best work) is titled "Teaser and the

Firecat." The album cover has a picture of a boy and an orangish-red cat.

I don't recall any use of the term "firecat" in any of the songs, but I

don't have a copy now to listen to. But this is a later use of the word.





"Firecat" is also the name of a hunting bow and I think a kind of fighter

plane.





Stevens may have simply meant a reddish colored cat. Cats do "bristle."



Terry Irons







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Snail Mail:       UPO 604 Morehead, KY 40351

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Topics of the day:



 1. firecat (2)



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Date:  Fri, 14 Jun 1996 11:19:46 PDT

From:  Duane Campbell  dcamp[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]EPIX.NET 

Subject: Re: firecat



--- On Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:10:44 -0600 Joan Houston Hall

 jdhall[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]FACSTAFF.WISC.EDU  wrote:



 John Serio, editor of The Wallace Stevens Journal, has asked for help in

 identifying the "firecat" in the following poem



I hate it when people on a maillist who don't know what they're talking about

take up valuable bandwidth and time to write nearly worthless speculation. But

as the philosopher said, we become what we hate.



Firecat rings a faint bell somewhere in the recesses of my mind, perhaps from

eighth grade biology or some forgotten children's book. I have the vague idea,

on which I would bet not a penny, regardless of the odds offered, that it is a

kind of lizards in the Southwest, so named because of its ability to survive

range fires. I have checked several references and can find not a hint of

confirmation.



I checked Alta Vista and got several hundred hits on "firecat", read many,

found nothing useful. A number of people use "firecat" as a login name, and I

even emailed a query to one of them, but the computer has been timed out.



I am giving up on the quest, as my mind is already littered with all the petty

obsessions I can handle at the moment.





Duane Campbell

dcamp[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]epix.net



In the beginning the Earth was without form and void.

Why didn't they leave well enough alone?



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Date:  Fri, 14 Jun 1996 13:26:33 EDT

From:  Larry Horn  LHORN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU 

Subject: Re: firecat



I noticed those userid 'firecat's too, but as far as I can tell, the users are

paying homage to Cat Stevens. The other firecats I turned up on the web are

also references to that great Islamic sage. My wife, a poet, suggests checking

Helen Vendler on Wallace Stevens, but presumably Mr. Serio has already tried

that.



Larry



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Topics of the day:



 1. forward - Bad Writing Contest

 2. forward - Bad Writing Contest -Reply

 3. To drop a dime on someone (2)

 4. Drop a Dime



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Date:  Wed, 19 Jun 1996 23:05:20 -0700

From:  Kim & Rima McKinzey  rkm[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]SLIP.NET 

Subject: forward - Bad Writing Contest



Perhaps it's just sadism on my part, but these were entirely too painful

not to forward. Rima



 Bad Writing Contest: Winners Announced

 

 We are pleased to announce winners of the second Bad Writing

 Contest, sponsored by the journal Philosophy and Literature and its

 internet discussion group, PHIL-LIT.

 

 The challenge of the Bad Writing Contest is to come up with the

 ugliest, most stylistically awful single sentence-or string of no more

 than three sentences-found in a published scholarly book or article.

 Ordinary journalism, fiction, etc. not allowed, nor is translation from

 other languages into English. Entries must be non-ironic, from actual

 serious academic journals or books-parodies cannot be admitted in a

 field where unintentional self-parody is so rampant.

 

 Note that much of the writing we would consider "bad" is not

 necessarily incompetent. Graduate students and young scholars

 please pay attention: many of the writers represented have worked

 years to attain their styles and they have been rewarded with

 publication in books and journal articles. In fact, if they weren't

 published, we wouldn't have them for our contest. That these

 passages constitute bad writing is merely our opinion; it is arguable

 that anyone wanting to pursue an academic career should assiduously

 imitate such styles as are represented here. These are your role

 models.

 

 First prize goes to David Spurrett of the University of Natal in South

 Africa. He found this marvelous sentence-yes, it's but one

 sentence-in Roy Bhaskar's Plato etc: The Problems of Philosophy and

 Their Resolution (Verso, 1994):

 

 "Indeed dialectical critical realism may be seen under the aspect of

 Foucauldian strategic reversal-of the unholy trinity of

 Parmenidean/Platonic/Aristotelean provenance; of the

 Cartesian-Lockean-Humean-Kantian paradigm, of foundationalisms

 (in practice, fideistic foundationalisms) and irrationalisms (in

 practice, capricious exercises of the will-to-power or some other

 ideologically and/or psycho-somatically buried source) new and old

 alike; of the primordial failing of western philosophy, ontological

 monovalence, and its close ally, the epistemic fallacy with its ontic

 dual; of the analytic problematic laid down by Plato, which Hegel

 served only to replicate in his actualist monovalent analytic

 reinstatement in transfigurative reconciling dialectical connection,

 while in his hubristic claims for absolute idealism he inaugurated the

 Comtean, Kierkegaardian and Nietzschean eclipses of reason,

 replicating the fundaments of positivism through its transmutation

 route to the superidealism of a Baudrillard."

 

 It's a splendid bit of prose and I'm certain many of us will now

 attempt to read it aloud without taking a breath. The jacket blurb,

 incidentally, informs us that this is the author's "most accessible book

 to date."

 

 Second Prize is won by Jennifer Harris of the University of Toronto.

 She found a grand sentence in an essay by Stephen T. Tyman called

 "Ricoeur and the Problem of Evil," in The Philosophy of Paul Ricoeur,

 edited, it says, by Lewis Edwin Hahn (Open Court, 1995):

 

 "With the last gasp of Romanticism, the quelling of its florid uprising

 against the vapid formalism of one strain of the Enlightenment, the

 dimming of its yearning for the imagined grandeur of the archaic, and

 the dashing of its too sanguine hopes for a revitalized, fulfilled

 humanity, the horror of its more lasting, more Gothic legacy has

 settled in, distributed and diffused enough, to be sure, that

 lugubriousness is recognizable only as languor, or as a certain

 sardonic laconicism disguising itself in a new sanctification of the

 destructive instincts, a new genius for displacing cultural reifications

 in the interminable shell game of the analysis of the human psyche,

 where nothing remains sacred."

 

 Speaking of shell games, see if you can figure out the subject of that

 sentence.

 

 Third prize was such a problem that we decided to award more than

 one. Exactly what the prizes will be is uncertain (the first three prizes

 were to be books), but something nice will be found. (Perhaps: third

 prize, an old copy of Glyph; fourth prize two old copies of Glyph.)

 

 Jack Kolb of UCLA found this sentence in Paul Fry's A Defense of

 Poetry (Stanford University Press, 1995). Together with the previous

 winners, it proves that 1995 was a vintage year bad prose. Fry writes:

 

 "It is the moment of non-construction, disclosing the absentation of

 actuality from the concept in part through its invitation to emphasize,

 in reading, the helplessness-rather than the will to power-of its fall

 into conceptuality."

 

 Incidentally, Kolb is reviewing Fry's book for Philosophy and

 Literature, and he generally respects it.

 

 Arthur J. Weitzman of Northeastern University has noted for us two

 helpful sentences from The Johns Hopkins Guide to Literary Theory

 and Criticism, edited by Michael Groden and Martin Kreiswirth

 (JHUP, 1994). It is from Donald E. Pease's entry on Harold Bloom:

 

 "Previous exercises in influence study depended upon a topographical

 model of reallocatable poetic images, distributed more or less equally

 within 'canonical' poems, each part of which expressively totalized

 the entelechy of the entire tradition. But Bloom now understood this

 cognitive map of interchangeable organic wholes to be criticism's

 repression of poetry's will to overcome time's anteriority."

 

 William Dolphin of San Francisco State University located this

 elegant sentence in John Guillory's Cultural Capital: The Problem of

 Literary Canon Formation (University of Chicago Press, 1993):

 

 "A politics presuming the ontological indifference of all minority

 social identities as defining oppressed or dominated groups, a politics

 in which differences are sublimated in the constitution of a minority

 identity (the identity politics which is increasingly being questioned

 within feminism itself) can recover the differences between social

 identities only on the basis of common and therefore commensurable

 experiences of marginalization, which experiences in turn yield a

 political practice that consists largely of affirming the identities

 specific to those experiences."

 

 Finally, the Canadian David Savory found this lucid sentence in the

 essay by Robyn Wiegman and Linda Zwinger, in "Tonya's Bad Boot,"

 an essay in Women on Ice, edited by Cynthia Baughman (Routledge,

 1995):

 

 "Punctuated by what became ubiquitous sound bites-Tonya dashing

 after the tow truck, Nancy sailing the ice with one leg reaching for

 heaven-this melodrama parsed the transgressive hybridity of

 un-narrativized representative bodies back into recognizable

 heterovisual codes."

 

 Thanks to all the entrants. The next round of the Bad Writing

 Contest, prizes to be announced, is now open with a deadline of

 September 30, 1996. There is an endless ocean of pretentious, turgid

 academic prose being added to daily, and we'll continue to celebrate

 it. Details of the new contest will appear on the internet discussion

 group PHIL-LIT.

 

 ***************

 

 Philosophy and Literature, a scholarly journal from the Johns Hopkins

 University Press, is soon to mark its twentieth anniversary. Editor:

 Denis Dutton, University of Canterbury, New Zealand; Coeditor,

 Patrick Henry, Whitman College, Washington.

 

 d.dutton[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]fina.canterbury.ac.nz

 

 Denis Dutton is past President and current Media Spokesbeing of the

 New Zealand Skeptics.

 



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Date:  Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:57:00 -0500

From:  Elizabeth Durand  Durand[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]JBLSMTP.PHL.LRPUB.COM 

Subject: forward - Bad Writing Contest -Reply



This is what drove me screaming from the hallowed halls of academe.



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Date:  Thu, 20 Jun 1996 09:25:45 -0500

From:  Katherine Catmull  kate[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]BGA.COM 

Subject: To drop a dime on someone



Anyone out there with a better reference than I have who can confirm the

origin of this phrase? as in, "the Unabomber's brother dropped a dime on

him." It seems like it must come from dropping a dime into a pay phone to

call, for example, the cops, but if anyone knows for sure I'd be grateful

for the information.



Thanks,



Kate Catmull      kate[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]bga.com



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Date:  Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:26:35 -0400

From:  Jesse T Sheidlower  jester[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]PANIX.COM 

Subject: Re: To drop a dime on someone



  Anyone out there with a better reference than I have who can confirm the

  origin of this phrase? as in, "the Unabomber's brother dropped a dime on

  him." It seems like it must come from dropping a dime into a pay phone to

  call, for example, the cops, but if anyone knows for sure I'd be grateful

  for the information.



You are correct. The usual use is 'to place a phone call to the police

to inform on someone', and hence broadly 'to inform; betray'. The

phrase is also used to mean simply 'to make a phone call'.



The Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang cites

examples back to the late 1960s.



Jesse Sheidlower

Random House

 jester[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]panix.com 



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Date:  Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:46:02 CDT

From:  Randy Roberts  robertsr[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]EXT.MISSOURI.EDU 

Subject: Drop a Dime



   I agree with Jesse on the current meaning of drop a dime, but I wonder

   if the origin of the phrase is only connected with the making of a

   phone call. Isn't it true that the underworld has, for decades,

   employed the practice of dropping a dime onto the chest of a stool

   pigeon who has recently "expired?"



   Randy Roberts



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Date:  Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:28:39 -0400

From:  Al Futrell  awfutr01[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]HOMER.LOUISVILLE.EDU 

Subject: Re: To drop a dime on someone



On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Katherine Catmull wrote:



  Anyone out there with a better reference than I have who can confirm the

  origin of this phrase? as in, "the Unabomber's brother dropped a dime on

  him." It seems like it must come from dropping a dime into a pay phone to

  call, for example, the cops, but if anyone knows for sure I'd be grateful

  for the information.



I like this question. In the materials on criminal argot collected from

criminals I have many instances of the term "drop" being used, but only

one where it means something similar to what I think it means in the

'drop a dime' collocation: "drop a kite." In this case "drop" means

literally to place a note informing on a fellow inmate (it was collected

in prison) into the mailbox. The operative term, however, is 'kite' and

not 'drop.' To drop a dime on somone would mean to give them a ten year

prison sentence (although I have never actually heard anyone say it like

that).My suspicion is that 'drop a dime' as used in K.C.'s question might

be a Hollywood coinage dating back several decades. Or perhaps a

Runyonism.



Al Futrell

-- awfutr01[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]homer.louisville.edu

-- http://www.louisville.edu/~awfutr01

Dept of Communication -- University of Louisville



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Date:  Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:09:37 -0500

From:  Katherine Catmull  kate[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]BGA.COM 

Subject: Re: To drop a dime on someone



On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Al Futrell wrote:



  I like this question. In the materials on criminal argot collected from

  criminals I have many instances of the term "drop" being used, but only

  one where it means something similar to what I think it means in the

  'drop a dime' collocation: "drop a kite."



That's interesting!



I've gotten a lot of email about this question, which I also posted to

alt.usage.english. From what I can gather, "drop a dime" meaning "to

inform" was active in the drug subculture in the late 60s and early 70s,

and has been active in some black american speech since the early or mid

80s. The only place I found it on the web, for example, was in the Rap

Dictionary.



  To drop a dime on somone would mean to give them a ten year

  prison sentence (although I have never actually heard anyone say it like

  that).



I've never heard it in that sense either (though I am familiar-- from TV!

-- with "dime" meaning a ten-year sentence). I have often heard the

expression "drop a dime on him" meaning "to inform" however. What sort of

company do I keep, you may be wondering.



  My suspicion is that 'drop a dime' as used in K.C.'s question might

  be a Hollywood coinage dating back several decades.



Well according to Jesse Sheidlower Random House puts it back to the 60s.

I'll be so disappointed if it's a Hollywood coinage, however.



  Or perhaps a

  Runyonism.



But if it was a Runyonism it would be "drop a nickel," wouldn't it? or

whatever pittance one owed a pay phone in those days . . .



Kate Catmull      kate[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]bga.com



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Date:  Fri, 21 Jun 1996 12:13:07 -0700

From:  William King  WFKING[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU 

Subject: Re: To drop a dime on someone



Here's my two cents.

A personal experience would confirm Kate Catmull's conclusion that "to drop

a dime" meaning "inform" was active in black american speech in the early

80's. When I worked on the King Tut Exhibit (1978), a time clock punch card

scam was reported. A black asst. supervisor then accused an underling of

"dropping a dime" on him. Whether this came from the dealers or the cops

is open to speculation on the basis of this single, robust datum. The

father of the guy who used the phrase was a police detective.

Another dime phone reference comes from a friend of mine in his late 40's

who'll end long long distance calls that I place with "The next one's on

my dime."

Bill King  Second Language Acquistion & Teaching Program

    University of Arizona.



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Date:  Fri, 21 Jun 1996 14:18:40 EST

From:  simon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU

Subject: Re: To drop a dime on someone



Sorry if this has been said--I've been either out of town or mass

deleting...



Isn't "drop a dime" from making an anonymous phone call to the police

using a pay phone, and the call cost 10 cents?



beth simon



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Topics of the day:



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 2. Chicago pronc (2)



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Date:  Sat, 22 Jun 1996 10:39:56 -0400

From:  "M. Lynne Murphy"  104LYN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MUSE.ARTS.WITS.AC.ZA 

Subject: Re: To drop a dime on someone



william king said:



  Another dime phone reference comes from a friend of mine in his late 40's

  who'll end long long distance calls that I place with "The next one's on

  my dime."



in my experience, this has been "nickel", which i mostly hear from

a friend in his 30s. e.g., "let me call you back on my nickel."



lynne



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M. Lynne Murphy              104lyn[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]muse.arts.wits.ac.za

Department of Linguistics            phone: 27(11)716-2340

University of the Witwatersrand          fax: 27(11)716-8030

Johannesburg 2050

SOUTH AFRICA



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Date:  Sat, 22 Jun 1996 16:13:14 -0400

From:  "Bethany K. Dumas"  dumasb[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTK.EDU 

Subject: Re: To drop a dime on someone



On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, M. Lynne Murphy responded to william king, who said:



    Another dime phone reference comes from a friend of mine in his late 40's

    who'll end long long distance calls that I place with "The next one's on

    my dime."

 

  in my experience, this has been "nickel", which i mostly hear from

  a friend in his 30s. e.g., "let me call you back on my nickel."



I always hear "my nickel."



Bethany



Bethany K. Dumas, J.D., Ph.D.  Applied Linguistics, Language & Law

Department of English      EMAIL: dumasb[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]utk.edu

415 McClung Tower        (423) 974-6965, (423) 974-6926 (FAX)

University of Tennessee     Editor, Language in the Judicial Process

Knoxville, TN 37996-0430 USA   http://ljp.la.utk.edu 



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Date:  Sat, 22 Jun 1996 15:14:21 EST

From:  simon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU

Subject: Re: To drop a dime on someone



I've heard "It's your nickel", but only from my parents and their

friends--folks in their 70s.



Beth



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Date:  Sat, 22 Jun 1996 16:00:20 EST

From:  simon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU

Subject: Chicago pronc



I seem to hear the city name, Chicago, pronounced [CI-] more and more.

Am I alone in [S[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]-] (the ampersand is a schwa).



beth



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Date:  Sat, 22 Jun 1996 19:10:17 -0400

From:  TERRY IRONS  t.irons[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MOREHEAD-ST.EDU 

Subject: Re: Chicago pronc



On Sat, 22 Jun 1996 simon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU wrote:



  I seem to hear the city name, Chicago, pronounced [CI-] more and more.

  Am I alone in [S[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]-] (the ampersand is a schwa).

 

  beth

 



I hear the affricate pronc often myself, although I believe I say it with

a fricative.



Could this be a result of spelling?



A stereotype of Hispanic English uses this pronunciation. Could there be

some influence here?



Or is some strictly phonological mechanism at work?



It seems to me a while back there was a discussion of where [s] is

becoming an affricate in the middle of words, too, but I can't remember

the example.



Virtually, Terry

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Terry Lynn Irons    t.irons[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]morehead-st.edu

Voice Mail:       (606) 783-5164

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Topics of the day:



 1. DARE Bargain

 2. To drop a dime on someone



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Date:  Sun, 23 Jun 1996 05:43:23 -0500

From:  Natalie Maynor  maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU 

Subject: DARE Bargain



Fritz Juengling, who is sometimes on ADS-L but isn't at the moment, sent

me the following:



  Natalie,

  You, as listowner, may want to post this to the ADS-L. Here's a bargain

  for someone:

  Our university bookstore is selling an extra copy of DARE vol. 1 for $33.

  With post and tax, the total would probably come to around $40. I would

  be willing to pick it up and post it to anyone who is interested. I can

  be contacted at

  juen0001[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]gold.tc.umn.edu

 

  Fritz Juengling

  Program in Germanic Philology

  U of MN

 



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Date:  Sun, 23 Jun 1996 19:08:07 -0700

From:  William King  WFKING[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CCIT.ARIZONA.EDU 

Subject: Re: To drop a dime on someone



M. Lynne Murphy & Bethany K. Dumas both noted that the pay phone expression

with which they are familiar regarding taking responsibility for paying

for the call is (it's) "on my nickel" as opposed to "...dime." Two things

come to mind.

First, my friend is from Philadelphia, the same as Chomsky. That's all he

shares in terms of linguistic judgments, but...

Second, do we nickel and dime each other because the stakes are so low? :)



Bill King  Second Language Acquisition & Teaching Program

       University of Arizona



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Date:  Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:40:55 +1608

From:  "Donald M. Lance"  engdl[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]SHOWME.MISSOURI.EDU 

Subject: Re: To drop a dime on someone



I've heard (and used) both 'nickle' and 'dime' to refer to who's paying for

the phone call. Might even use 'quarter' in some circumstances, depending

on audience. I have no contribution on the original query about dropping a

dime, but suspect Jesse and Randy are on a better track than speculating

about the price of phone calls.



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Topics of the day:



 1. Dare I

 2. The Address Answer

 3. variation in unstressed vowels (2)

 4. Fwd: Re: Chicago pronc

 5. Familiar breeding grounds, revisited



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Date:  Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:07:49 -0600

From:  POLSKY ELLEN S  Ellen.Polsky[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]COLORADO.EDU 

Subject: Dare I



I'm sorry to send this to the whole list. I tried to contact the person

who is selling Dare I, but the message was undeliverable. I'm thinking

that perhaps I miscopied his e-mail address. Did anyone write it down?

Thanks. ESP



Ellen S. Polsky (Ellen.Polsky[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]Colorado.EDU)



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Date:  Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:50:34 -0500

From:  Natalie Maynor  maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU 

Subject: The Address Answer



The person with the DARE sale info was

juen0001[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]gold.tc.umn.edu



I bet the problem was that you typed letter o's instead of zeroes --

or possibly you typed letter l for number 1.

  --Natalie (maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ra.msstate.edu)



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Date:  Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:58:20 -0400

From:  "Dale F.Coye"  CoyeCFAT[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: variation in unstressed vowels



Is this an accurate description?



In standard varieties of American English the first syllable of "enough" may

vary between a full (/ee/) or a reduced quality (schwa or /ih/). The same is

true of words with prefixes de-, re-, pre-, and ex- (expect, etc. which

varies between full /eks-/ and reduced /iks-/). But in another group of

words, unstressed syllables do not vary. They must have the reduced schwa

(oppose, offend, condemn). What's interesting is that on stage you'll hear

Shakespearean actors pronouncing words like "offend" with a full-blown /oh/

instead of the usual schwa- in what is sometimes called "mannered" speech.



My questions are-  are their standard varieties in which enough, etc. do not

vary, and are their standard varieties where offend, etc. do vary. Does

anyone know any studies on this?



Dale Coye

The Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching

Princeton, NJ



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Date:  Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:13:53 -0400

From:  "David Bergdahl (614) 593-2783"  BERGDAHL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]OUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU 

Subject: Re: variation in unstressed vowels



RE: /oh/ in  offend 



Ohio is an area where  official  and like words, which in the east began with a

schwa when I lived there 25+ yrs. ago, have /o/ as the in initial syllable,

which, incidentally, is stressed.

    ______________________________________________________

    David Bergdahl     BERGDAHL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]OUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU

    Associate Professor of English Language and Literature

    Ohio University / Athens      fax: (614) 593-2818

    ______________________________________________________



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Date:  Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:05:25 -0500

From:  "Thomas J. Creswell"  creswell[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CROWN.NET 

Subject: Fwd: Re: Chicago pronc



-- [ From: Thomas J. Creswell * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --



Beth Simon,



I goofed and responded to your query about the pronunciation of Chicago

directly to you. I meant to post it on ads-l.



Herewith



Tom Creswell

------- FORWARD, Original message follows -------



  Date: Monday, 24-Jun-96 11:52 AM

 

  From: Thomas J. Creswell    \ Internet:  (creswell[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]crown.net)

  To:  simon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU \ Internet:  (simon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cvax.ipfw.indiana.

edu)

 

  Subject: Re: Chicago pronc

 

  Beth,

 

  The pronunciation of _Chicago_ like that of many place names, is subject

to a

  number of variations.

 

  1. The initial consonant cluster is either "ch" as in _chew_ or "sh" as

in

  _shoo_. The first Mayor Daley (Richard J.) was a consistent "ch"

pronouncer,

  as were many working class people of Irish origin in his generation. For

  instance, a Chicago cop would most likely be a "ch" pronouncer. Some of

the

  descendants of this group preserve this initial sound.

 

  2. The first syllable vowel may be either like the _i_ in _hit_, or a

schwa.

 

  3. The second syllable vowel varies from "open o" as in _law_ and a short

"a"

  as in _cat_. In this syllable, many gradations occur, anything between

the two

  extremes. Old time native Chicagoans usually have the open o vowel,

unless

  they come from a northwest side neighborhood settled by Swedes and Germans

..

  Long time residents, whether white, African American, or Hispanic have a

strong

  tendency to the _aw_ sound. Newer arrivals to the city tend toward the

short

  "a" sound.

 

  4. The initial consonant of the second syllable is, in some

pronunciations,

  voiced, so that it sounds, in rapid speech like a hard g

  rather than a k. The reason for this is obvious--preceding and following

  voicing.

 

  5. The final vowel varies between a long o as in _so_ or _go_ and a schwa

  sound. Again, the first Mayor Daley had the schwa sound for this vowel.

 

  No. You are not alone in the "sh" initial consonant sound. I, and many

others

  share it with you.

 

  Tom Creswell



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Date:  Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:05:51 EDT

From:  Larry Horn  LHORN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]YALEVM.CIS.YALE.EDU 

Subject: Familiar breeding grounds, revisited



Headline of lead story, New York Times Home Section ("House Proud" subhead),

6/20/96:



         WHEN FAMILIARITY BREEDS CONTENT



(Article relates the story of two couples, the Cohens from Manhattan and the

Powers from Massachusetts, who built a sort of Siamese twin vacation house in

Martha's Vineyard. The house, called "Pocoh", has communal porches and living

room flanked by two bedrooms and two bathrooms each.)



          --L.H.



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There are 4 messages totalling 195 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. HEL

 2. Greetings

 3. Fwd: Re: Chicago pronc

 4. Contrition



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Date:  Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:23:12 -0400

From:  "M. Lynne Murphy"  104LYN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MUSE.ARTS.WITS.AC.ZA 

Subject: HEL



hi all--



saw this on the linguist list and thought some people on this list

might be able to help.



lynne





------- Forwarded Message Follows -------

Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:23:26 PDT

From: jrubba[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]harp.aix.calpoly.edu (Johanna Rubba)

Subject: Query: History of English course





Greetings to all,



I am writing to ask if anyone would be willing to share course

materials with me for an introductory History of the English language

course for undergraduate non-ling majors. It will be my first time

teaching this course.



I am reviewing Pyles & Algeo and Baugh & Cable as texts; any other

suggestions or any remarks on these two would be appreciated.



I am particularly interested in supplementary reading suggestions and

suggestions for video materials (other than 'Story of English', which

I know about), and suggestions for small projects or related books for

book report assignments. (Books should be easy enough for

non-ling. people and linuistophobes.)



If anyone would be willing to share a syllabus, or has a syllabus on

the Web, I'd appreciate seeing that too.



I will post a summary to the list. Thanks in advance!



Johanna

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Johanna Rubba  Assistant Professor, Linguistics       =

English Department, California Polytechnic State University  =

San Luis Obispo, CA 93407                   =

Tel. (805)-756-0117 E-mail: jrubba[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]oboe.aix.calpoly.edu   =

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =



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Date:  Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:06:56 -0500

From:  "Thomas J. Creswell"  creswell[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CROWN.NET 

Subject: Re: Greetings



-- [ From: Thomas J. Creswell * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --



Tom,



Great to hear from you. I am stumbling around the Internet most days,

trying in my clumsy and ill-informed way to learn what I can.

Email, I have cased, and can use it with some ease.



Have just finished a review article on American Dictionaries on CDROM to be

published some time in the Journal of English Linguistics. Virginia and I

will be working soon on checking out usage notes for a proposed revision of

the Random House Webster's College Dictionary, so we will probably be seeing

each other more frequently than the once a week or so that has been our

recent practice.



V. Keeps me posted on the growth and activities of your family and, from

time to time, on your job accomplishments. Sounds as though you've mad a

good life for yourself.



I look forward to seeing you when you and the boys visit your mother later

this summer. For a while she seemed hot on getting a new computer and going

online, but she seems to have cooled down on the prospect. Perhaps when you

visit you can rekindle her enthusiasm.



Please give my regards to Joy.



And what in god's name is TTFN? I am not up on computer abbreviations.



All the best,



Tom



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Date:  Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:37:55 -0700

From:  Peter McGraw  pmcgraw[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CALVIN.LINFIELD.EDU 

Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Chicago pronc



Interesting! I never heard a "ch" pronunciation from anyone except

foreigners who, I reasoned, could be forgiven for not knowing any better.



One question: Can either the "ch" or the "sh" pronunciation be followed by

either the schwa or the high front vowel, or are the combinations

restricted in any way? (Chi-, shi- and sh[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]- all sound plausible to me,

whereas ch[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]- feels awkward.)



Peter McGraw

Linfield College

McMinnville, OR





On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Thomas J. Creswell wrote:



  -- [ From: Thomas J. Creswell * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --

 

  Beth Simon,

 

  I goofed and responded to your query about the pronunciation of Chicago

  directly to you. I meant to post it on ads-l.

 

  Herewith

 

  Tom Creswell

  ------- FORWARD, Original message follows -------

 

    Date: Monday, 24-Jun-96 11:52 AM

   

    From: Thomas J. Creswell    \ Internet:  (creswell[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]crown.net)

    To:  simon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CVAX.IPFW.INDIANA.EDU \ Internet:  (simon[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]cvax.ipfw.indiana.

  edu)

   

    Subject: Re: Chicago pronc

   

    Beth,

   

    The pronunciation of _Chicago_ like that of many place names, is subject

  to a

    number of variations.

   

    1. The initial consonant cluster is either "ch" as in _chew_ or "sh" as

  in

    _shoo_. The first Mayor Daley (Richard J.) was a consistent "ch"

  pronouncer,

    as were many working class people of Irish origin in his generation. For

    instance, a Chicago cop would most likely be a "ch" pronouncer. Some of

  the

    descendants of this group preserve this initial sound.

   

    2. The first syllable vowel may be either like the _i_ in _hit_, or a

  schwa.

   

    3. The second syllable vowel varies from "open o" as in _law_ and a short

  "a"

    as in _cat_. In this syllable, many gradations occur, anything between

  the two

    extremes. Old time native Chicagoans usually have the open o vowel,

  unless

    they come from a northwest side neighborhood settled by Swedes and Germans

  .

    Long time residents, whether white, African American, or Hispanic have a

  strong

    tendency to the _aw_ sound. Newer arrivals to the city tend toward the

  short

    "a" sound.

   

    4. The initial consonant of the second syllable is, in some

  pronunciations,

    voiced, so that it sounds, in rapid speech like a hard g

    rather than a k. The reason for this is obvious--preceding and following

    voicing.

   

    5. The final vowel varies between a long o as in _so_ or _go_ and a schwa

    sound. Again, the first Mayor Daley had the schwa sound for this vowel.

   

    No. You are not alone in the "sh" initial consonant sound. I, and many

  others

    share it with you.

   

    Tom Creswell

 

  ------- FORWARD, End of original message -------

 



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Date:  Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:53:00 -0500

From:  "Thomas J. Creswell"  creswell[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CROWN.NET 

Subject: Contrition



-- [ From: Thomas J. Creswell * EMC.Ver #2.5.02 ] --



ADS-Lers,



Sorry to have ineptly cluttered up your list mail with a personal message.

When I get a little older, I'll probably operate more smoothly. Right now,

at 75, going on 76, I'm still trying to learn

email procedures.



Tom Creswell



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There are 10 messages totalling 343 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. ADS-L Digest - 25 Jun 1996 to 26 Jun 1996 (2)

 2. variation in unstressed vowels (3)

 3. Chicago pronc

 4. Good Idea (in spite of bad timing) (2)

 5. New books on the ADS Web

 6. Uses of the Progressive Aspect



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Date:  Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:18:19 -0500

From:  "Albert E. Krahn"  krahna[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MILWAUKEE.TEC.WI.US 

Subject: Re: ADS-L Digest - 25 Jun 1996 to 26 Jun 1996



Johanna



On the third last day of the course, show the video "American Tongues,"

to demonstrate some of the variety of dialects in American English.

---------------



 I am writing to ask if anyone would be willing to share course

 materials with me for an introductory History of the English language

 course for undergraduate non-ling majors. It will be my first time

 teaching this course.

 

 I am reviewing Pyles & Algeo and Baugh & Cable as texts; any other

 suggestions or any remarks on these two would be appreciated.

 

 I am particularly interested in supplementary reading suggestions and

 suggestions for video materials (other than 'Story of English', which

 I know about), and suggestions for small projects or related books for

 book report assignments. (Books should be easy enough for

 non-ling. people and linuistophobes.)

 

 If anyone would be willing to share a syllabus, or has a syllabus on

 the Web, I'd appreciate seeing that too.

 

 I will post a summary to the list. Thanks in advance!

 

 Johanna

 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

 Johanna Rubba  Assistant Professor, Linguistics       =

 English Department, California Polytechnic State University  =

 San Luis Obispo, CA 93407                   =

 Tel. (805)-756-0117 E-mail: jrubba[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]oboe.aix.calpoly.edu   =

 = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

Al Krahn English Department Milwaukee Area Technical College

700 W. State St. Milwaukee WI 53233 W414/297-6519 H /476-4025

KRAHNA[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MILWAUKEE.TEC.WI.US        F /297-7990



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Date:  Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:31:23 -0400

From:  "Dale F.Coye"  CoyeCFAT[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: variation in unstressed vowels



David Bergdahl writes:



 Ohio is an area where  official  and like words, which in the east began

with

 a

 schwa when I lived there 25+ yrs. ago, have /o/ as the in initial syllable,

 which, incidentally, is stressed.



Do you mean the first syllable of "official" has a secondary stress? Or how

would you characterize it? And I wonder if it's invariably /oh/ or is does it

vary between schwa and /oh/?  When you say "like words" would that be a

whole range of words like opinion, oppress, offensive which also behave in

this way?



Dale Coye



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Date:  Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:31:53 -0400

From:  "Dale F.Coye"  CoyeCFAT[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: Chicago pronc



Does anyone have an opinion about /sh/ vs. /ch/ in terms of SAE? The test I

use in judging "Standard American English" is: would I correct a foreign

speaker if he or she used a given form. In this case I would be inclined

(Mayor Daley notwithstanding) to tell a foreigner that virtually all

well-educated Americans use /sh/ and you should too. To me /ch/ is so rarely

heard it would be like using it in "Michigan." So I guess I'm asking Tom

Creswell-- do the /ch/ speakers exist in the well-educated classes of

Chicago, too?



Dale Coye

the Carnegie Foundation for the Advancement of Teaching

Princeton, NJ



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Date:  Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:52:34 -0400

From:  "David Bergdahl (614) 593-2783"  BERGDAHL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]OUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU 

Subject: Re: variation in unstressed vowels



RE: Dan Coyle's request for more info on Ohio  official 



In some apparently standard dialects (used by radio &tv announcers, politicians)

a word like  official  has an elongated /o/ with main stress on the initial

syllable and a secondary stress on [fIs^] and [*l] with low stress. This

pronunciation has become standard in the last 25 yrs., I would guess, or at

least become more prominent. My intuition (for what it's worth) is that

pronunciations with schwa are heard as "slurvian" and to be avoided, hence the

strange stress situation of a primary followed by a secondary rather than an

unstressed syllable. Another plausible explantion is that it's one of the words

affected by front-shifting of stress, as in The Columbus DISpatch, POlice,

MOtel, &c. Some speakers may have level stress in  official : each syllable

equally stressed, as if it were French.



A non-standard (although used by former Gov. Rhodes, from Appalachian Jackson,

OH) pronunciation with unstressed /o/ or schwa initially has [i] as the stressed

vowel, popularly spelled of-FEESH-al. But that, I think, is the result of the

change in syllable boundary with the loss of the final vowel when the [l] became

syllabic. Since [I] doesn't appear in open syllables, it was raised to [i]. . .

or, at least, that's my theory.



I moved into southern Ohio in 1968 from Syracuse in upstate NY, but I grew up on

Long Island, N.Y. in a suburb on NY, so the pronunciations I'm describing are

"foreign" to my ears since they're neither my native pronunciations nor the

"standard." Hope this helps.

    ______________________________________________________

    David Bergdahl     BERGDAHL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]OUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU

    Associate Professor of English Language and Literature

    Ohio University / Athens      fax: (614) 593-2818

    ______________________________________________________



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Date:  Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:49:33 -0500

From:  Natalie Maynor  maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU 

Subject: Good Idea (in spite of bad timing)



Somebody at U of Alabama Press just sent me information about Ellen

Johnson's new book, saying that Allan had suggested that I might want

to put the information on the ADS web pages. I think having a page

with links to information about new books by ADS members is an excellent

idea. So I just created such a page, with one entry so far -- the one

I just got.



I stuck a note on the page saying that it was new and that I wouldn't

be able to add anything to it until late July but that almost certainly

there would be many additions at that point. If any of you have recent

books, I'd like to add them -- at the end of July. There's no way I

can do it right now. I'm in the midst of grading summer school exams

and am leaving town tomorrow.



If you want the descriptions to look "prettier," send them to me as

html documents. Otherwise, just send them in ASCII and I'll  pre  them --

i.e., I'll stick  pre  at the beginning of the document and  /pre  at the

end, meaning that it will appear on the web in exactly the form you sent

it in (same paragraphing etc.)



Another problem with good ideas for web additions is that the fate of

our web pages (temporary fate -- one year) is uncertain at the moment.

I'll be leaving late next April to teach in Japan until May '98. Because

telnet access from there will too slow to edit web pages conveniently

back here and will be costing by the minute, I won't be able to keep

the pages up to date. Since I'm the only ADS member here at MSU, there's

nobody here who can take over the task. And since outsiders can't have

accounts on our system, nobody else can do it. So it's going to come down

to either finding a new home for the web pages or not updating them for

a year. (In the latter case, I'd put an explanatory note on every page.)

But that's all still pretty far in the future. Right now I'm concentrating

on getting out of town tomorrow.



Btw -- you may remember that before I left town for a little over a week

last month, I said that I was changing ADS-L back to "send=public" and

hoping the spammers were on vacation. I still haven't changed it back

to "send=private." Let's hope they stay on vacation for the rest of

the summer.

  --Natalie (maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ra.msstate.edu)



P.S. Back to the subject of new-book blurbs. In case any of you are

wondering how new is new, how recent is recent, I don't know. What do

y'all think? Published within the past year?



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Date:  Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:14:45 -0700

From:  Peter McGraw  pmcgraw[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]CALVIN.LINFIELD.EDU 

Subject: Re: variation in unstressed vowels



On Thu, 27 Jun 1996, David Bergdahl (614) 593-2783 wrote:



  RE: Dan Coyle's request for more info on Ohio  official 

 

  In some apparently standard dialects (used by radio &tv announcers, politicians)

  a word like  official  has an elongated /o/ with main stress on the initial

  syllable and a secondary stress on [fIs^] and [*l] with low stress. This

  pronunciation has become standard in the last 25 yrs., I would guess, or at

  least become more prominent. My intuition (for what it's worth) is that

  pronunciations with schwa are heard as "slurvian" and to be avoided, hence the

  strange stress situation of a primary followed by a secondary rather than an

  unstressed syllable. Another plausible explantion is that it's one of the words

  affected by front-shifting of stress, as in The Columbus DISpatch, POlice,

  MOtel, &c. Some speakers may have level stress in  official : each syllable

  equally stressed, as if it were French.

 

  A non-standard (although used by former Gov. Rhodes, from Appalachian Jackson,

  OH) pronunciation with unstressed /o/ or schwa initially has [i] as the stressed

  vowel, popularly spelled of-FEESH-al. But that, I think, is the result of the

  change in syllable boundary with the loss of the final vowel when the [l] became

  syllabic. Since [I] doesn't appear in open syllables, it was raised to [i]. . .

  or, at least, that's my theory.



I assume that in the paragraph above, your first "[I]" uses the twelfth

letter of the alphabet, while the second "[I]" uses the ninth. Otherwise

I'm really confused (and maybe even a bit "Ill").



In any case I doubt that Gov. Rhodes's pronunciation has anything to do

with a syllable boundary shift, since the word 'fish', too, is pronounced by

some Ohioans, and other Midwesterners (others on this list can

probably enlighten us as to the feature's geographic boundaries), with a

vowel that native New Yorkers seem to hear as [i] but which in my

experience is a diphthong [Ij] (read "capital-ay jay").



I lived in Yellow Springs, OH, during the Rhodes administration, and

don't recall hearing anyone say "OH-fish[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]l", so I assume it's an

Appalachian feature characteristic of the southeastern area of the state.



Peter McGraw

Linfield College

McMinnville, OR



 

  I moved into southern Ohio in 1968 from Syracuse in upstate NY, but I grew up on

  Long Island, N.Y. in a suburb on NY, so the pronunciations I'm describing are

  "foreign" to my ears since they're neither my native pronunciations nor the

  "standard." Hope this helps.

      ______________________________________________________

      David Bergdahl     BERGDAHL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]OUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU

      Associate Professor of English Language and Literature

      Ohio University / Athens      fax: (614) 593-2818

      ______________________________________________________

 



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Date:  Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:57:17 -0400

From:  Allan Metcalf  AAllan[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: New books on the ADS Web



Thanks, Natalie, for agreeing so readily with that good idea!



My suggestion is: limit it to books relevant to our field; have a length

limit for descriptions (maybe 200 words); published within the past year is a

good time limit.



For the Newsletter of the ADS, I do even shorter notices (no more than 100

words usually), but that's because of space limitations. I also restrict it

to books by ADS members, but on the other hand include any book regardless of

subject matter. Somehow that seems fine for the newsletter, but I'd suggest

the other policies for the Web site.



- Allan Metcalf



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Date:  Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:52:29 -0500

From:  Beth and Ed Deluzain  bethed[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]INTEROZ.COM 

Subject: Re: ADS-L Digest - 25 Jun 1996 to 26 Jun 1996



In addition to "American Tongues," you might want to consider the video

"Yeah, You Right." It's put out by the same people who did "American

Tongues," but it deals with social dialects in New Orleans. I use the two

videos together.



A book I've found useful is "Language Files," put out by the Ohio State

University linguistics department. Much of it focuses on language change,

and there's a section on the history of the language.



Ed



At 12:18 AM 6/27/96 -0500, you wrote:

 Johanna

 

 On the third last day of the course, show the video "American Tongues,"

 to demonstrate some of the variety of dialects in American English.

 ---------------

 

  I am writing to ask if anyone would be willing to share course

  materials with me for an introductory History of the English language

  course for undergraduate non-ling majors. It will be my first time

  teaching this course.

  

  I am reviewing Pyles & Algeo and Baugh & Cable as texts; any other

  suggestions or any remarks on these two would be appreciated.

  

  I am particularly interested in supplementary reading suggestions and

  suggestions for video materials (other than 'Story of English', which

  I know about), and suggestions for small projects or related books for

  book report assignments. (Books should be easy enough for

  non-ling. people and linuistophobes.)

  

  If anyone would be willing to share a syllabus, or has a syllabus on

  the Web, I'd appreciate seeing that too.

  

  I will post a summary to the list. Thanks in advance!

  

  Johanna

  = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

  Johanna Rubba  Assistant Professor, Linguistics       =

  English Department, California Polytechnic State University  =

  San Luis Obispo, CA 93407                   =

  Tel. (805)-756-0117 E-mail: jrubba[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]oboe.aix.calpoly.edu   =

  = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

 Al Krahn English Department Milwaukee Area Technical College

 700 W. State St. Milwaukee WI 53233 W414/297-6519 H /476-4025

 KRAHNA[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MILWAUKEE.TEC.WI.US        F /297-7990

 



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Date:  Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:35:05 -0400

From:  "ads-l Conference [AT SYMBOL GOES HERE] highlands.com"  XINCLXads-l[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]HIGHLANDS.COM 

Subject: Re: Good Idea (in spite of bad timing)



Perhaps it could be expanded slightly to the concept of "New and Forthcoming

 From Members of ADS."



Just a thought.



Regards,

David K. Barnhart

Barnhart[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]Highlands.com



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Date:  Thu, 27 Jun 1996 15:40:50 -0400

From:  "Bethany K. Dumas"  dumasb[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UTK.EDU 

Subject: Uses of the Progressive Aspect



The Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language (CGEL) discusses uses

of the progressive aspect and says, among other things, that use of the

past progressive may suggest either politeness (particularly when

combined with the attitudinal past tense) or casualness of conversational

intent (as opposed to purposeful discussion) (pp. 209-210). I am seeking

published research (or research in progress) discussing these uses of the

past progressive in American English.



Thanks,

Bethany Dumas



Bethany K. Dumas, J.D., Ph.D.  Applied Linguistics, Language & Law

Department of English      EMAIL: dumasb[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]utk.edu

415 McClung Tower        (423) 974-6965, (423) 974-6926 (FAX)

University of Tennessee     Editor, Language in the Judicial Process

Knoxville, TN 37996-0430 USA   http://ljp.la.utk.edu 



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There are 3 messages totalling 67 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. New query about teaching materials (3)



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Date:  Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:14:14 -0400

From:  Ron Butters  RonButters[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: New query about teaching materials



Here is a query from a young colleague of mine. Can anyone help?

---------------------

Forwarded message:

From:  amspeech[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]acpub.duke.edu (Ronald Butters)

To:   RonButters[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]aol.com (Ron Butters)

Date: 96-06-27 22:09:03 EDT







---------- Forwarded message ----------

Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 18:55:08 -0400 (EDT)

From: Richard Epstein  repstein[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]acpub.duke.edu 

To: amspeech[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]acpub.duke.edu

Subject: message





Ron,



Here's a copy of the message that I posted on LINGUIST. Hopefully,

it'll bring some interesting references/syllabi.



Thanks,

Rich



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Can anybody recommend a textbook for an undergraduate course on

Linguistics and Literature? The course will be taught in an English

dept. and the students will presumably have little to no background in

Linguistics.



I'm already familiar with Traugott & Pratt (1980) and Leech & Short

(1981). I'd greatly appreciate references to more recent texts that

have been used successfully with undergraduate literature students.



Thanks very much. I'll post a summary afterwards.



Rich Epstein

(repstein[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]acpub.duke.edu)

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Date:  Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:17:58 EST

From:  Boyd Davis  FEN00BHD[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UNCCVM.UNCC.EDU 

Subject: Re: New query about teaching materials



I've had very good fortune using Cindy Bernstein's anthology, The Text

and Beyond, U Ala 1994; this is a collection of (from the subtitle)

'essays in literary linguistics' that combines well with any of several

linguistics texts or compilations, and also works well with course-paks

of articles/chapters,depending on the slant of the course.

Boyd Davis       fen00bhd[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]unccvm.uncc.edu



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Date:  Fri, 28 Jun 1996 22:50:27 -0400

From:  Ron Butters  RonButters[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: New query about teaching materials



Thanks, Boyd, for your suggestion--should have thought of it myself!



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Topics of the day:



 1. New query about teaching materials (2)



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Date:  Sat, 29 Jun 1996 12:15:45 -0400

From:  Jeutonne Brewer  jpbrewer[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]HAMLET.UNCG.EDU 

Subject: Re: New query about teaching materials



I second Boyd's comment about Cindy Bernstein's The Text and

Beyond. I have used the book with a graduate course. My

students like the book very much.



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* jpbrewer[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]hamlet.uncg.edu           *

* Jeutonne_Brewer[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uncg.edu           *

*   Jeutonne P. Brewer             *

*   Department of English           *

*   University of North Carolina at Greensboro *

*   Greensboro, NC 27412            *

**************************************************



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Date:  Sat, 29 Jun 1996 18:03:38 -0400

From:  Ron Butters  RonButters[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]AOL.COM 

Subject: Re: New query about teaching materials



Thanks for the info, Jeutonne.



I expect that your promotion went through with flying colors--at least YOU

should get a raise this year!



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