Date: Sun, 5 Mar 1995 14:00:49 CST
From: Barbara Need barbara[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]SAPIR.UCHICAGO.EDU
Subject: Re: second cousins
This discussion makes the THIRD set of definitions I have seen for
cousin terms.
1) This seems the best known, where second cousins are the children
of your first cousins AND IT IS RECIPROCAL (That is, you are their
second cousin).
2) The one mentioned so far on the net, where nth cousins are
n-times from the common ancestor (children of first cousins
are second cousins, children of second cousins are third cousins,
etc.) and removal comes into play when the number of generations
from the common ancestor is not eaqual for the two parties involved
(so your parents first cousins and your first cousins children are
your first cousins once removed). THIS IS ALSO RECIPROCAL.
3) The one I use, WHICH IS NOT RECIPROCAL. In (2) the determining
factor for the value of n is the generation number of the shorter
line of descent (in such a system, it is possible to have a second
cousin once removed who is of an older generation than the ego,
the person who the relationship is being decribed for). In the system
I am familiar with, the value of n is based on the generation
number of ego, and the value of y in y times removed is based on the
number of generations up or down. I once referred to my second
cousins once removed and was asked in which direction. For me, there
is only one direction: the children of my second cousins. The other
direction would result in my aunts and uncles. My parents second
cousins are my third cousins once removed. HOWEVER, I am their second
cousin once removed
[I am sorry, in the above discussion, I meant to say FIRST cousin,
I have only one sort of first cousin once removed: Kyle, Logan and
Bill. the sons of the my first cousins and a girl child (whose name
I have forgotten), the daughter of a first cousin.]
Barbara Need
University of Chicago--Linguistics