Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 23:38:57 -0700
From: Rudy Troike RTROIKE[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ARIZVMS.BITNET
Subject: Re: th/dh
On vl/vd th contrast, for some people, the genitive singular vs
plural of a few words work: mouth's - mouths, death's - deaths; more general:
wreath's - wreaths
Which reminds me, has anyone been noticing the demise of the vl/vd
singular:plural contrast in house : houses ? I suspect it comes in part
because there is no orthographic reinforcement, as in wolf : wolves . I
notice it mostly in Northeasterners, having first encountered it in a New
Yorker. Maybe it is an immigrant substratum effect, at least in origin.
--Rudy Troike
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 23:55:57 -0700
From: Rudy Troike RTROIKE[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ARIZVMS.BITNET
Subject: Re: "Rock 'n Roll"
Sheila--
I'd suggest you ask your classmate what he means by the expression.
One advantage a non-native speaker has is being able to ask about terms and
expressions without being thought stupid, because it is recognized by the
native that you are not familiar with the culture. In many ways it is harder
for a native to ask, especially about something that might seem self-obvious.
Try it, and let us know what you find out. Maybe, as Eric Byrd suggests, it is
just an emotive expression, and not really easily definable, even by the person
who is using it (people often have trouble defining words, because it is not
really an everyday requirement for sociolinguistic competence; my favorite
demonstration term is thing , which is essentially undefinable -- the most
ordinary words are often the most indefinable). [NB: the usual answer is "an
object"; so what is an object? Something tangible. But what is tangible? ...
Something you can touch. But what is some*thing* ? Anything....]
You can try it with dongxi . Zai jian,
--Rudy Troike
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Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1993 22:57:06 -0800
From: "Thomas L. Clark" tlc[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]NEVADA.EDU
Subject: Re: egg-aig
Your message dated: Sun, 28 Nov 1993 14:25:47 -0700
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Beth,
My sympathies. I remember when my sister spent a year going to high
school in Avon, Illinois, and came back rhyming hill and hell ! Oh,
Ellinois!
--Rudy
Everbuddy knows that hell is those little white frozen things that
fall from the sky, sorta like snow, only harder.