Date: Thu, 2 Nov 1995 09:31:04 -0500

From: Wayne Glowka wglowka[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MAIL.GAC.PEACHNET.EDU

Subject: Re: Sulking Over Silky Milk & Other Words of That Ilk



From: NAME: David Bergdahl

FUNC: English

TEL: (614) 593-2783 BERGDAHL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]A1[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]LANCE

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Am I wrong to take exception to the inclusion of words like talk in the

discussion of the loss of /l/? Is my historical linguistics outdated or didn't

Elizabethan English fill the "slot" left by the raising of "long open o" to /o/

by converting {AL} and {AU/W} words like talk , daughter , law ?



Margaret Schlauch. The English Language in Modern Times, p. 45: "au in Germanic

words, derived from a+w, remained a diphthong for a time, as in law and

saw ;

simplification occurred later to [long open o] by way of [open o diphthongized

to U]."



Thomas Pyles, Origins & Development, 2nd ed., p. 189: "The l of Middle

English

preconsonantal al was lost after first becoming a vowel: thus Middle English

al and au fell together as au , ultimately becoming [long open o](as in

talk , walk ) except befere f , v , and m , where it became [long low

front

digraph] in such words as half , salve , and psalm ."



So aren't we REALLY talking about the re-introduction of an /l/ from the

spelling analogous to disyllabic forehead ?



Basically, yes, but I wonder if it really ever disappeared in some

dialects. How did Pyles and Schlauch arrive at these conclusions? One of

the most disturbing classes I took at the Univ. of Texas was a Middle

English dialects class. Every day we discovered that the dialect

descriptions in our HEL class were very convenient (hell, and elaborate)

fictions.



I have a similar problem every day as I listen to people around me.

Southerners all sounded the same to me until I lived around them. What

they say and how they say it is a function of way too many variables--age,

sex, class, experiences, education, race, etc. I think Henry Higgins was

an out-and-out liar about his abilities to place a person within two

streets of some place in London by speech alone. I defy him to do the same

in Milledgeville.

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So the list above ( half , salve , and psalm ) strikes me as very

interesting. I get few students who put up much of an argument that half

has an /l/, a word that has also fallen together with the path and

grass group in British English. I've never tried having anyone

transcribe salve , but I rarely hear anyone under sixty use the word.

However, I wonder if anyone who uses it and does not pronounce the l also

has no /l/ in salvation . Further, I never actually hear anyone say

psalm (like Sam [s[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]m]), but I do hear [sam] and [salm], the latter with

a clearly pronounced /l/. In fact, I say [salm]. I hear /l/ in balmy a

lot, but never hear balm pronounced one way or the other at all since

lotion and creme/cream seem to be the preferred terms. If someone said

[bami] I would not immediately know what that person was saying. Is it in

_South Pacific_ in which there is a song that rhymes army and balmy ?

When I first heard this rhyme, I thought it was a far-fetched joke since

I'm neither r-less or l-less in these words.



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Rhymes (discounting stress assignments) for me:



psalm balm calm napalm (with /al/)



Sal salvation salmonella (with /[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]l/)



Sam salmon (/[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]/ with no /l/)



halve salve calve (/[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]/ with no /l/)



half calf (/[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]/ with no /l/)



walk talk baulk/balk caulk chalk (open-o with no /l/ but with an off-glide)



milk silk ilk (with /l/)





I have /l/ in wolf , elm , and film , but have heard the l-less

varieties many, many times.



This post is too long for me,



















Wayne Glowka

Professor of English

Director of Research and Graduate Student Services

Georgia College

Milledgeville, GA 31061

912-453-4222

wglowka[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]mail.gac.peachnet.edu