Date:  Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:42:24 -0600

From:  Natalie Maynor <maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU>

Subject: Blast from the Past



Although I didn't save all of the early ADS-L mail, I did stumble across

the following in a file I had named ADS/misc/firstday:



Date:     Mon, 25 Nov 1991 08:52:36 EST

From: Bill Kretzschmar <WAKJENGL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu>

Subject:   Re: We Are Still Four

To: Multiple recipients of list ADS-L <ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA>

In-Reply-To: Message of Mon,

       25 Nov 1991 06:45:52 CST from <nm1[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU>



Hi Cindy, Natalie, and Bitnet-Beagle:



My, Natalie, you're an early riser this Monday AM.



ADS-L is off to a good start even if we DO only have three subscribers so far,

and that's because any start is a good start. We'll get more folks, especially

when Allan Metcalf puts a notice in NADS. In the meantime we can let people

know privately that the list is up.



Do either of you know, by the way, anything about the Heinle and Heinle

publishers of ESL materials?



Bill Kretzschmar



Date:     Mon, 25 Nov 1991 11:21:00 CST

From: Dennis Baron <baron%UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu>

Subject:   knock knock

To: Multiple recipients of list ADS-L <ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA>



The response to the subject line is who's there? So that's

what I'm asking. I've never joined a list from the beginning

and I don't have a topic to introduce, other than to tell

Bill Kretzschmar I think this is a good idea and to ask if

we'll eventually get some sense of who is on the list. I've

been on several lists but always find the discussion tangential

to my own interests. Of course now that we have a list of our

own all this will change, right?

--



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Date:     Mon, 25 Nov 1991 12:44:03 CST

From: Natalie Maynor <nm1%RA.MSSTATE.EDU[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu>

Subject:   Re: knock knock

To: Multiple recipients of list ADS-L <ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA>



So far there are just four of us: Dennis Baron, Cindy Bernstein, Bill

Kretzschmar, Natalie Maynor. Surely others will join us soon. Any time

you want to see a list of subscribers, you can send this command to the

listserv (listserv[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu or listserv[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.bitnet):

review ads-l

If any of you know of people who want to be added to the list rather than

doing the subscribing themselves, tell them to send me a note. (I'm not

sure why anybody would find it easier to send me a note than to send the sub

command to the listserv, but you never know. Some people may be scared of

listservs.)

  --Natalie (nm1[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ra.msstate.edu)



Date:     Mon, 25 Nov 1991 15:49:51 EST

From: Bill Kretzschmar <WAKJENGL[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu>

Subject:   Membership and habits

To: Multiple recipients of list ADS-L <ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA>

In-Reply-To: Message of Mon,

       25 Nov 1991 12:44:03 CST from <nm1[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]RA.MSSTATE.EDU>



Hello, Dennis. Natalie forgot to mention that her dog is also a list member!

If we believe in animal rights that makes 5 of us; if not, 4 and a fraction.



I have written to Allan Metcalf to ask him to announce ADS-L in NADS. Until

then I wonder what we all think about announcing our existence. I imagine that

word will get around (I heard from John Baugh recently), but will we want to

post notice of ADS-L on WORDS-L or LINGUIST or HUMANIST or ANSAXNET? Natalie

and I thought not (in our brief founding conversation at SAMLA), but there are

other possible views. We have a list; let's discuss what we want on it.



I would suggest, for starters, a couple of habits (derived from membership on

ANSAXNET) that I hope we will encourage: 1) editing the subject line so that

messages sent with the reply function are on the same topic as the function,

and 2) signing messages at the end of the text instead of relying on sometimes

cryptic "From:" fields in the header.



Bill Kretzschmar



Date:     Mon, 25 Nov 1991 15:38:09 CST

From: Natalie Maynor <nm1%RA.MSSTATE.EDU[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu>

Subject:   Re: Membership and habits

To: Multiple recipients of list ADS-L <ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA>



> Hello, Dennis. Natalie forgot to mention that her dog is also a list member!

> If we believe in animal rights that makes 5 of us; if not, 4 and a fraction.



Not only is Bernard Chien Perro a list member, he's also a co-owner. Don't

worry -- he's experienced -- he's co-owner of WORDS-L also. And now we are

six, by the way. John Baugh has joined us.



> post notice of ADS-L on WORDS-L or LINGUIST or HUMANIST or ANSAXNET? Natalie

> and I thought not (in our brief founding conversation at SAMLA), but there are

> other possible views. We have a list; let's discuss what we want on it.



Since subscription to this list is open to the public right now (which we

can change if that becomes a problem), it would probably not be a good idea

to announce the list very widely. That might attract list-hoppers with only

moderate interest in or knowledge of the topic. I don't think we really

want it to turn into something like WORDS-L. I say that with all due

respect for WORDS-L, a list I run and a list I love for reasons not related

to linguistics. (I'm already looking forward to the arrival of the WORDS-L

t-shirts and to the WORDS-L clambake that is scheduled for July 5 in

Providence, RI.) The traffic on WORDS-L often exceeds 100 messages a day,

about 5% of which are related to the topic. Announcing ADS-L on LINGUIST

might be ok. What do the rest of you think? I would vote a definite no

to announcing it on something like NEWLIST-L or having it listed in any

of the various lists of lists.



> I would suggest, for starters, a couple of habits (derived from membership on

> ANSAXNET) that I hope we will encourage: 1) editing the subject line so that

> messages sent with the reply function are on the same topic as the function,

> and 2) signing messages at the end of the text instead of relying on sometimes

> cryptic "From:" fields in the header.

>

> Bill Kretzschmar



Good suggestions.

  --Natalie (nm1[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ra.msstate.edu)



Date:     Mon, 25 Nov 1991 17:08:00 CDT

From: BERN%AUDUCVAX.BITNET[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu

Subject:   membership

To: Multiple recipients of list ADS-L <ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA>



Membership, I'm sure, will blossom once the word is out. The early

subscribers are the ones who use e-mail at least twice daily; we

have to remember that there are those who don't.



I'm working to complete grant proposals to fund Language Variety in

the South, which some of you know will be held in conjunction with

Spring SECOL 1993. I want to send drafts to NEH and NSF before

Dec. 1; any suggestions from those with experience in these matters

would be appreciated.

--Cindy



Date:     Mon, 25 Nov 1991 21:35:55 CST

From: Natalie Maynor <nm1%RA.MSSTATE.EDU[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uga.cc.uga.edu>

Subject:   Heinle and Heinle

To: Multiple recipients of list ADS-L <ADS-L[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]UGA>



Returning to Bill's question from this morning (when there were just three

subscribers to the list):



> Do either of you know, by the way, anything about the Heinle and Heinle

> publishers of ESL materials?



I sent the question to our ESL person and got this reply:



> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 91 20:52:27 CST

> To: nm1[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]Ra.MsState.Edu

> Subject: Re: Heinle and Heinle

>

> Yes, in fact, at the Southeastern TESOL Conference, several participants

> noted that Heinle and Heinle are now involved in a grammar project. It

> looks very interesting although all I heard was a brief description by

> some of those involved. It is my impression that the company is moving

> agressively in ESL materials.

>

> What exactly does the person want to know about the company?



  --Natalie (maynor[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]ra.msstate.edu)