Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:59:39 -0500
From: Brian James Callarman bjc0007[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]JOVE.ACS.UNT.EDU
Subject: Re: whole nuther ballgame
On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Jeutonne P. Brewer wrote:
What is the source/background/history of a phrase like
whole nuther xxx? Someone asked me about his phrase today.
I've heard it all my life. I hear it in the English Department
here. I think that I have read some discussion of this, but
evidently I didn't pay attention.
Jeutonne
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Jeutonne P. Brewer, Associate Professor
Department of English
University of North Carolina at Greensboro
Greensboro, NC 27412
email: jpbrewer[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]hamlet.uncg.edu
URL: http://www.uncg.edu/~jpbrewer
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Six months ago I went hiking in the Palo Duro Canyon of the Texas
Panhandle. While preparing and planning my route I was talking with a
park ranger who told me, "If you climb over that there plateau there's a
whole nother canyon system that no one really knows about." I too had
heard this form used all my life, but this was probably the first time I
ever really thought about it. Plus, I had three days alone on the trail
to cogitate on it. It seems to me that this phrase would probably come
from the breaking up of the word "another", which is just a
grammaticalized form of "an other" and is used as an Adjective. If you
weren't going to use the word "whole" in this phrase it would simply be,
"...there's another canyon system...". You could say, "There's another
whole...", and both "another" and "whole" would be modifying the following
noun, but what the average Joe is really wanting to do is specify that the
"canyon system" (or whatever is being talked about) is a different "canyon
system" all together. This would place the emphasis of the sentence on
the idea of "other". So, when the rubber meets the road in the
split-second descision making of how to say what you mean useing the given
tools to do so, how do you modify "other" and then use that phrase to
modify "canyon system" at the same time in the same sentence? The speaker
wants to use "whole" to modify "other" and "another" to modify "canyon
system". This, in effect, becomes a whole nother form in English grammar
all together.
Brian Callarman