Date:  Wed, 12 Oct 1994 09:17:16 CST

From:  salikoko mufwene <mufw[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MIDWAY.UCHICAGO.EDU>

Subject: Re: -"had" Constructions



In Message Wed, 12 Oct 1994 02:07:30 CDT,

 "Donald M. Lance" <ENGDL%MIZZOU1[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uicvm.uic.edu> writes:



>On a comparative/contrastive note, the discussed of these 'have' constructions

>reminds me that 'be' and 'have'='own' use the same word in, I think, Swahili,

>with sort of a dative construction in the latter use.

 In Lingala and Kikongo-Kituba, two languages I speak, the closest analog

is combining the verb COME with the applicative suffix. The latter is used

for benefactive as well as malefactive constructions. In cases more

specific than 'occur', diverse verb bases may combine with the applicative.

For instance, a car owner may complain that his/her child ruined their car

'on them'(?), or that a wreckless driver killed a pedestrian 'on them'(?),

etc. These are kinds of statements where the speaker suggests that somebody

other than the agent is victimized by the agent's action.

Sali.

Salikoko S. Mufwene

University of Chicago

Dept. of Linguistics

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Chicago, IL 60637

s-mufwene[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]uchicago.edu

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