Date:  Mon, 2 Oct 1995 11:16:16 EDT

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Subject: Re: icebox and upstate



I'm tempted to say that upstate begins where the commuter rail service

ends, which I think at the moment means Brewster or thereabouts.

(I'm a Manhattan resident and grew up in Queens.) Commuter rail in this

case is standing in for a feeling that "upstate" is that part of the

state that is not closely connected to the New York City economy, in

particular where few if any people work in the city or come down here

regularly to shop (as distinct from the occasional trip to see a show,

visit people, or even once-a-year holiday shopping). But I also suspect

that "upstate" for this purpose is farther out than the edge of the

New York City dialect area.



Vicki Rosenzweig

vr%acmcr.uucp[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]murphy.com

New York, NY