End of ADS-L Digest - 9 Oct 1995 to 10 Oct 1995

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There are 32 messages totalling 874 lines in this issue.



Topics of the day:



 1. as it were (4)

 2. go up to (4)

 3. Ornery

 4. mrs

 5. mrs/miz'/gazz (3)

 6. ornery (3)

 7. Who's got the right one, baby (UH-HUH)?

 8. oj and chocolate (2)

 9. the dictionary of stereotypes (2)

 10. Terrorism vs. sabotage (2)

 11. Ornery Kathleen (3)

 12. zapping (2)

 13. zapping, zappers & binger-bongers

 14. If I was (2)

 15. LJP Issue #2 is Now Available for Web-Browsing



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Date:  Wed, 11 Oct 1995 00:21:55 -0400

From:  "H Stephen STRAIGHT (Binghamton University,

     SUNY)" <sstraigh[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]BINGSUNS.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU>

Subject: Re: as it were



Of course William H. Smith is right, and I am wrong: The use of "was" in

place of "were" is no less subjunctive, in the limited grammatical status

of that mood in English. If I would have been more careful to think

before I speak, I wouldn't have muddied the waters about the "loss" of a

distinctive subjunctive mood in English. Sorry.



On Tue, 10 Oct 1995, William H. Smith wrote:

> I have read have a dozen postings saying that the subjunctive does/doesn't

> exist, on the evidence of "If I was.." The anti's say that the subjunctive

> has given way to the indicative past, but no one has noted that "If I

> was/were..." is not past, it is present:

> "If I were now as I once was..." If the subjunctive _were_ dead, we would

> say, "If I am..."

> Bill Smith

> Piedmont College



    Best.         'Bye.          Steve

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