End of ADS-L Digest - 19 Oct 1997 to 20 Oct 1997
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Subject: ADS-L Digest - 20 Oct 1997 to 21 Oct 1997
There are 10 messages totalling 297 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

 1. whole nuther ballgame (3)
 2. you're welcome/toy's for sale (2)
 3. Thank You
 4. Good morning (was "thank you")
 5. RE>Good morning (was "thank you")
 6. HOW TO TALK AMERICAN
 7. Japanese Teens' Use of US English

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Date:  Tue, 21 Oct 1997 08:59:39 -0500
From:  Brian James Callarman <bjc0007[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]JOVE.ACS.UNT.EDU>
Subject: Re: whole nuther ballgame

On Mon, 20 Oct 1997, Jeutonne P. Brewer wrote:

> What is the source/background/history of a phrase like
> whole nuther xxx? Someone asked me about his phrase today.
> I've heard it all my life. I hear it in the English Department
> here. I think that I have read some discussion of this, but
> evidently I didn't pay attention.
>
> Jeutonne
>
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> Jeutonne P. Brewer, Associate Professor
> Department of English
> University of North Carolina at Greensboro
> Greensboro, NC 27412
> email: jpbrewer[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]hamlet.uncg.edu
> URL:  http://www.uncg.edu/~jpbrewer
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>

Six months ago I went hiking in the Palo Duro Canyon of the Texas
Panhandle. While preparing and planning my route I was talking with a
park ranger who told me, "If you climb over that there plateau there's a
whole nother canyon system that no one really knows about." I too had
heard this form used all my life, but this was probably the first time I
ever really thought about it. Plus, I had three days alone on the trail
to cogitate on it. It seems to me that this phrase would probably come
from the breaking up of the word "another", which is just a
grammaticalized form of "an other" and is used as an Adjective. If you
weren't going to use the word "whole" in this phrase it would simply be,
"...there's another canyon system...". You could say, "There's another
whole...", and both "another" and "whole" would be modifying the following
noun, but what the average Joe is really wanting to do is specify that the
"canyon system" (or whatever is being talked about) is a different "canyon
system" all together. This would place the emphasis of the sentence on
the idea of "other". So, when the rubber meets the road in the
split-second descision making of how to say what you mean useing the given
tools to do so, how do you modify "other" and then use that phrase to
modify "canyon system" at the same time in the same sentence? The speaker
wants to use "whole" to modify "other" and "another" to modify "canyon
system". This, in effect, becomes a whole nother form in English grammar
all together.

Brian Callarman