Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 12:09:17 -0400
From: "M. Lynne Murphy" 104LYN[AT SYMBOL GOES HERE]MUSE.ARTS.WITS.AC.ZA
Subject: Re: American accent: nasal
i said:
lack of roundness seems to be what is being perceived as
nasalization.
then peter mcg said:
Well, not quite. My vowel in "Bob" is no more unrounded, though it is
more fronted, than the Dutch sound spelled "aa" (though the Dutch sound
spelled "o" is short and rounded, so perhaps spelling played a role). But
my vowel in "McGraw" is definitely rounded, and certainly more rounded
than the sound my landlady produced, so it would rather seem as if
rounding was what she was trying to approximate by nasalizing the vowel.
To complicate matters further, Viennese German (especially blue collar
Viennese) has a comparable vowel that is even lower, further back and more
strongly rounded than mine in "McGraw".
well, what i was comparing is typical american accent to british
accent. for me, the 'o' in _not_ or _bob_ is much less round than
that of british english, and this is a function of it also being
lower. the 'o' in british _not_ and _bob_ is closer to the sound
i'd make in _mcgraw_. i was figuring that the europeans were seeing
american characteristics as contrasting british characteristics,
since british english is usually the standard taught in europe (and
africa and parts of asia).
when the movie _la femme nikita_ came out, my friends and i thought
the french pronunciation of "bob" was one of the most amusing things
there was. (you must understand, we were living in a central illinois
college town during summer break. we did anything to entertain
ourselves.) so, anyone with a name remotely like "robert" became
"bub" (with the shortest possible vowel)--i guess it would be
something like [boeb]--where the o and e are one graph. this is
vastly different than how someone else was describing the dutch
pronunciation of the name. the languages of europe, of course,
each have their own vowels, but all the people seem to perceive
americans in the same way ("nasal")--so i guess that's why i'm
assuming they're comparing us with a british standard rather than
with their own pronunciations.
lynne